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  1. #11 October 24th, 2013

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    If you use a marked deck (Madison Players for exemple), you can use second dealing. You just need to quickly read the marking, and give you the best card! - If it is a "borrowed" deck, you may prefer to use a bottom - That is just my opinion, and I believe Erdnase encourages the second dealing with markings. However, and I think you know it, just don't use these sleight in a real poker game. Some card cheats (like Daniel Madison, again! :P) passed near death because they have been caught.

  2. #12 October 24th, 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZachMueller View Post
    I wonder, has there been a card cheating demonstration that is completely random and interactive? I'd be interested to know.
    This comes to mind first: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f085e9TjIJs

  3. #13 October 25th, 2013
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    Joshua,

    There isn't a good book that offers what you're looking for. Although I'm a huge fan of The Expert at the Card Table, I agree that the book is long on sleights and short on application. My own theory is that the author had little real-world application to draw on, so he concentrated on what he loved best - the physical moves themselves.

    To answer your question in a round-about sort of way though, you have to understand the games themselves. Cheating at Gin Rummy isn't the same as cheating at Hold 'Em, and neither of those are the same as cheating at Bridge. You get the idea.

    In Gin Rummy, a good player can get by quite nicely just by killing a few cards (holding them on top through the shuffles and then letting the opponent cut them deep into the deck and out of play). That won't work in Bridge, where all 52 cards are dealt out. In Bridge, covert (and illegal) communication between partners is the move that you have to look out for. Everything else is secondary.

    In poker, due to the variety of games and formats, there are more ways to cheat than perhaps at any other game, but you still need to get more specific. In lowball, just giving your opponent a single high card will destroy their hand. In Hold 'Em, while there are some exceptions, giving your opponent high cards isn't something you would normally make a habit of. In Hold 'Em, you might rather know a card or cards coming on the flop, turn or river. The possibilities are many and varied.

    In short, to understand application for the moves you've spent so much time on, you have to understand the games themselves. I recommend a good book on general card games and their rules. You'd be surprised at how much you could learn just by reading those types of books.

    Jason

  4. #14 November 6th, 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by CelineH View Post
    If you use a marked deck (Madison Players for exemple), you can use second dealing. You just need to quickly read the marking, and give you the best card! - If it is a "borrowed" deck, you may prefer to use a bottom - That is just my opinion, and I believe Erdnase encourages the second dealing with markings. However, and I think you know it, just don't use these sleight in a real poker game. Some card cheats (like Daniel Madison, again! :P) passed near death because they have been caught.
    Erdnase actually does not advocate the use of readers he merely mentions that the second deal is often used in conjunction with them, but 'The clever professional who values his reputation will have nothing to do" as he says in reference to using readers, as they are incriminating evidence.

    Qlancy

  5. #15 November 6th, 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZachMueller View Post
    Don't know what you're talking about, Uno and Phase10 can help immensely when incorporating bottom deals.

    Kidding, sort of. TeeDee and Wunderbar are dropping mad knowledge about card cheating - I would listen to them.

    Most dealing demonstrations done in magic are stacked and the outcome is the same with each performance. I wonder, has there been a card cheating demonstration that is completely random and interactive? I'd be interested to know.
    Why thank you Zach.

  6. #16 November 6th, 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by CelineH View Post
    If you use a marked deck (Madison Players for exemple), you can use second dealing. You just need to quickly read the marking, and give you the best card! - If it is a "borrowed" deck, you may prefer to use a bottom - That is just my opinion, and I believe Erdnase encourages the second dealing with markings. However, and I think you know it, just don't use these sleight in a real poker game. Some card cheats (like Daniel Madison, again! :P) passed near death because they have been caught.
    Actually there is good chance you will not be caught. If you're moves are polished (but not to polished) and you do not use anything ridiculous (I am looking at you Daniel Madison) you will be pretty safe. Also maybe hold back on the emojis a bit ( actually a lot).
    Just remember the three B's

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