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  1. #11 October 10th, 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by YGM7 View Post
    remind me who he is
    John Philip Quinn was a Chicago-based cheater who wrote self-aggrandising books preaching about the evils of gambling and "exhuming some antiquated moss-covered ruses" used by gamblers. He certainly fits the bill of "whining, mealy-mouthed pretensions of piety" and "terrific denunciation of former associates" to which Erdnase refers. In addition, we know from his own book Fools of Fortune that he had beef with some of the gambling community in his Chicago (where, of course, The Expert at the Card Table was published). If you read Quinn's work, he not only names (genuine) names of some of the biggest people on the scene in Chicago at the time, but he also implies that all cheating is done with gaffs and the manipulative skill of the cheater is minimal. Added to this, from David Ben's biography of Dai Vernon we learn that "Quinn was not so reformed after all" as he tried to get into a poker game when he visited Vernon's home town.

    My opinion is that Erdnase wrote his book almost as a direct rebuttal to Quinn.

  2. #12 October 11th, 2013

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    does anybody know about the off broadway show called "who killed erdnase"

  3. #13 October 14th, 2013

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    i am going to be erdnase for halloween any ideas

  4. #14 October 14th, 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by YGM7 View Post
    i am going to be erdnase for halloween any ideas
    Suit from the 1920'a and a willingness to explain who you are to everyone.

    -Christopher
  5. #15 October 14th, 2013

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    Suit from the 1920'a and a willingness to explain who you are to everyone.
    1902!!!!!!!!!!

  6. #16 October 14th, 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlancy View Post
    1902!!!!!!!!!!
    Yes yes. It was a typo. Also, the styles aren't that much different. Only someone very familiar with turn of the century fashion would know.

    It would serve just as well to say "Old style suit"

    -Christopher
  7. #17 October 15th, 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChristopherT View Post
    Yes yes. It was a typo. Also, the styles aren't that much different. Only someone very familiar with turn of the century fashion would know.

    It would serve just as well to say "Old style suit"
    WRONG!!!!!.
    1920s http://fashiontrendsmens.com/1920-me...men-fashion-2/
    1902 http://pzrservices.typepad.com/.shar...ns_fashion.jpg

  8. #18 October 15th, 2013

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    First off - Calm down. I already said it was a typo.

    Second off - if you're going to use a picture to prove me wrong, don't choose one that has a long overcoat covering everything, and another that shows the actual fashions. For future reference, that overcoat would have gone over the suit jacket as well.

    -Christopher
  9. #19 October 25th, 2013
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    Just a comment -

    While Quinn certainly fits the bill of the type of person Erdnase was writing about, a better example is probably J. H. Green. He did the same thing as Quinn but a half-century earlier and actually billed himself as THE "Reformed Gambler." He also wrote several books decrying the evils of gambling whereas Quinn had only written one (at least by 1902). Gambling and Gambling Devices by Quinn didn't come along until 1911 or so.

    Jason

  10. #20 October 25th, 2013

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasonEngland View Post
    Just a comment -

    While Quinn certainly fits the bill of the type of person Erdnase was writing about, a better example is probably J. H. Green. He did the same thing as Quinn but a half-century earlier and actually billed himself as THE "Reformed Gambler." He also wrote several books decrying the evils of gambling whereas Quinn had only written one (at least by 1902). Gambling and Gambling Devices by Quinn didn't come along until 1911 or so.

    Jason
    Thanks for your thoughts Jason! One reason for my focusing on Quinn as a target for Erdnase's ire is precisely because Green was so much earlier. Erdnase seems to be genuinely irked by these people's "hypocritical cant", and it seems unlikely to me that he would be so concerned about someone who had died in 1887. Unless, of course, the book was written much earlier and hung about in manuscript form for years. Which is always possible. Also, I haven't been able to connect Green with Chicago in any meaningful way, whereas Quinn was a Chicago resident, which means that his "terrific denunciations" may well be not just of his own "erstwhile associates", but possibly also those of Erdnase. It just seems that Quinn was a bit closer to home chronologically and geographically for Erdnase than Green was.

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