XCM = Cardistry?

[Slash]

Hey guys,

As I'm sure you all know, this website (btw I'm NOT trying to say anything bad about t11) calls what most people call XCM "Cardistery". Does anybody know why? According to De'Vo, cardistery is cheating and it is really XCM. Anyone else wondering?

[ReservoirRed]

Do you call it football or soccer? Exactly, it doesn't matter. I dont know alot about de'vo but that's nit picking.

[richard]

Cardistry and XCM are two different words to explain the same artform.

You can see a bit more about this in an FAQ I wrote almost 4 years ago: http://more.cardistrz.com/cardistry_faq.php

The most relevant part for your question is:

It is a myth that Cardistry is "more cuts" and XCM is "more fans and spreads." These terms actually intend to describe exactly the same art. The difference is purely in the words.

While the art is fascinating and the moves can be complex, most moves do not fall under the "Xtreme" category (is a charlier cut, fan, or armspread really Xtreme?), and it is just one performance style.

Comparing this art to other Xtreme Sports might make more sense if:

The cards are on fire
You're doing it upside down in a roller coaster.
You're doing it while sky diving.
For these cases, it would make lots of sense to use the word "Xtreme." Otherwise, in general, there is no real physical risk except maybe carpel tunnel.

Cardistry seeks to encapsulate the art as a whole, to oversee all styles. It is worth noting that if you really want to use the word "Xtreme" you could call it "Xtreme Cardistry."

In this case, unfortunately yes De'vo is just trying to say "cardistry" means something else for his own personal reasons.

Throughout the whole "cardistry" discussion, I've been very open about everything (and likewise in the FAQ).

Also, now even the US Playing Card Company officially uses the word "cardistry" for the art on their website. Just sayin'

[Jaspas]

Amen Richard. PS Long time no see.

[JDENredden]

They are terms that go hand in hand.

But to me they stand for different card manipulation styles.

J.

[timsilva]

The short answer: Yes, they are the same thing. I would argue that Cardistry is objectively & linguistically a better term though. (I'm not hiding my agenda, I am definitely biased towards Cardistry over XCM and have been since the it was challenged.)

Cardistry is a newer term that makes more sense and is becoming accepted as time passes. As Richard said, even the US Playing Card Company calls it Cardistry now. See for yourself: http://www.bicyclecards.com/beyond-c...es-pages-4.php

XCM (Xtreme Card Manipulation) is older and more widely recognized, but it was explicitly a marketing term that isn't very suitable to describe the art form as a whole. Cardistry is an all-inclusive, more logical title that came from Decknique which wasn't a business trying to create profit. Although to be fair, it has been used as a marketing term by Theory11 and others as well.

I think it is wise to have no allegiance to either community for the basis of your decision of which one to use. Instead, use the term which is more logical, shorter in length, and doesn't require the use of an acronym (which leads to confusion/disappointment). Cardistry doesn't need to be explained to most people, it is self-explanatory. XCM requires an explanation, and an embarrassing one on top of it. :P I can't take myself or anyone seriously using the word "Xtreme" with an X to describe something that I am passionate about and an adult male. XCM shouldn't be forgotten, it will always have its place in the history books. I mean no offense to De'vo by supporting this new direction, and it annoys me when others pick on him for it.

It should just be about the quality of the terms. As I have explained above, Cardistry is easier for us to communicate and easier for people to understand. If you have a better argument than that, please bring it up.