Raise Rise vs. Shifty vs. Elevator Card

[RichmanMatthew]

I am wondering which I should put my time and effort in, Raise Rise, Elevator Card, or Shifty.

If there are any others, please list them, along with their pros and cons.

[cklam]

I would say Shifty; Raise Rise is rather hard to do (ok, at least for me, it is).

[Snorri]

I would say Shifty.
Elevator Card is a Gaff thing ...not impromptu.
Raise Rise is not that good at least in my opinion. I tried it on a few people to get unbiased non magician opinions and they liked Shifty better.
Shifty has served me and many other magicians well over the last 13 or so years. The method is time tested and audeinces seem to like it when I perform it.
Snorri

[DavidMisner]

Well, if you are talking about Shigeo Futagawa's Elevator Card, then I have to go with that. Shifty is next in line.

I don't know the method to Raise Rise, but from what I can tell it is very difficult.

David

[Rmana]

Is Fallen not good enough to get a mention on here? I've been torn between Shifty and Fallen for a little while now.

[DLeerium]

For me
Elevator Card > Shifty >Raise rise (too difficult to perform in public) > fallen (bad angles)

[JoeCarr]

but if i showed a video of each to a laymen, raise rise looks the best hands down... but for practicality and real life situations, shifty...

[2ndDeal]

Difficulty shouldn't be a factor when trying to find a best possible techinque.

Fallen isn't worth the cost of a deck of playing cards used to perform it. It's an insult to Ambitious Card plot.

[AntonGant]

Well, in Shifty and Elevator you can sign the card, show it face-up etc.
And both are fairly easy. It may have sound-issues though. Raise Rise is a little hard, you can't show the card, but it's far more visual, AND it's one-handed.

I'll let you decide, but I would pick Ray's Rise...

[RichmanMatthew]

I would say Shifty.
Elevator Card is a Gaff thing ...not impromptu.
Raise Rise is not that good at least in my opinion. I tried it on a few people to get unbiased non magician opinions and they liked Shifty better.
Shifty has served me and many other magicians well over the last 13 or so years. The method is time tested and audeinces seem to like it when I perform it.
Snorri

Well, in Shifty and Elevator you can sign the card, show it face-up etc.
And both are fairly easy. It may have sound-issues though. Raise Rise is a little hard, you can't show the card, but it's far more visual, AND it's one-handed.

I'll let you decide, but I would pick Ray's Rise...


I'm talking about Shiego Futagawa's Elevator Card.

I don't really care about how hard it is to perform. Laymen don't see that aspect of it. Anyway, I can already do the A.R.M for the usage of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASxYoG-1TWo) trick.

[PatDivine]

I'll make this my 2nd post here on T11 :)

I'll say that Elevator is probably the easiest impromptu rising card. Ever. It's quite hard to find the actual notes to learn it, but if you watch a good performance of it, and actually try to work out a handling, you'll find it's not that hard to accomplish. It does NOT use a gaff of any kind.

Raise Rise is considered to be one of the most difficult effects in card magic. But don't let that scare you away from it! There's a really good sleight used in raise rise, called the Ambitious Riser Move which can be applied to alot of things, such as color changes, card controls, ACR phases.. the list goes on.

Hope this helped. :)

[Orin10]

Difficulty shouldn't be a factor when trying to find a best possible techinque.

Fallen isn't worth the cost of a deck of playing cards used to perform it. It's an insult to Ambitious Card plot.

I agree with ya on both of those.

Fallen... enough said.

If you pick your tricks based on "they are too hard" you might want to rethink the whole card magic thing. That's what practice is all about. No one would get anywhere if they didn't do anything that challenged them. Magic would suck if that were the case.

In my opinion, shifty is the best. That is MY opinion though. Study the ones that interest you the most and see which one is most pleasing to you. The more pleased you are with the way an effect looks from the spectators view, the more pleased you will be performing it for them!

Hoped that helped, sorry for any negativity. Just go with what you like and it will work out for the best!

[2ndDeal]

If you pick your tricks based on "they are too hard" you might want to rethink the whole card magic thing. That's what practice is all about. No one would get anywhere if they didn't do anything that challenged them. Magic would suck if that were the case.


As Dai Vernon said

"If people cannot derive pleasure and satisfaction from practise and are not prepared to expend the time and thought and enery required because they find it irksome, then magic is not for them-they should turn to a different hobby."

[RichmanMatthew]

I'll make this my 2nd post here on T11 :)

I'll say that Elevator is probably the easiest impromptu rising card. Ever. It's quite hard to find the actual notes to learn it, but if you watch a good performance of it, and actually try to work out a handling, you'll find it's not that hard to accomplish. It does NOT use a gaff of any kind.

Raise Rise is considered to be one of the most difficult effects in card magic. But don't let that scare you away from it! There's a really good sleight used in raise rise, called the Ambitious Riser Move which can be applied to alot of things, such as color changes, card controls, ACR phases.. the list goes on.

Hope this helped. :)

Read my other post on page 1.

:D

[holo]

I really hate fallen, the angles suck, and the clean up is so effing bad as well as the method. W/e u do, dont get fallen

[APassivePoke]

I feel like the fact that Raise Rise being one handed doesn't make too much of a difference to a spectator. Their cards is put into the center and it rises slowly to the top a few cards at a time, that's all they're going to remember. I don't think the "cool factor" of it being one handed, and the extra difficulty involved make it more impressive or worthy of your attention than Shifty or Elevator.

I'm not familiar with the method of Elevator, so I can't comment on the difficulty of it, but Shifty is extremely easy to do (and can be done with the deck in standard position, just like Elevator, with slight modifications). As for the difference between Shifty and Raise Rise, I think the fact that the card is face-up when you do Shifty makes it all the more impressive and impossible. The card can't be shown during the Raise Rise routine.

[Bonnermagic]

Raise Rise along with a few other effects on Ray Kosby's DVD uses the Ambitious riser move which is extremely difficult and in my opinion not worth the practice. Believe it or not, witnessing a card slowly go up through a deck isn't as amazing to laymen as magicians might think.

[RichmanMatthew]

Raise Rise along with a few other effects on Ray Kosby's DVD uses the Ambitious riser move which is extremely difficult and in my opinion not worth the practice. Believe it or not, witnessing a card slowly go up through a deck isn't as amazing to laymen as magicians might think.

Trust me, it's impressive to anyone.

[Eddie]

Trust me, it's impressive to anyone.

It may be impressive but not as impressive as doing it to a FACE UP card.

[APassivePoke]

I'd rather make the card rise face UP with two hands than rise face DOWN with one hand. The fact that is it 100% their card is far more impressive to laymen, in my opinion, than the fact that you are really skilled at sleight of hand and can do it with only one hand. Frankly, I don't think they care, or would even notice

[RichmanMatthew]

It doesn't matter if it is done one-handed or not, the point is, Raise Rise is a lot more visual when done correctly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaJos_Sn7Rc
I've asked close friends about which they liked most and the majority said Raise Rise.

[APassivePoke]

It doesn't matter if it is done one-handed or not, the point is, Raise Rise is a lot more visual when done correctly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaJos_Sn7Rc
I've asked close friends about which they liked most and the majority said Raise Rise.

Alright, alright, haha. I haven't ever seen it done that well before, so I agree, that looks extremely impressive. I still would like to be able to show their card, though. I don't know, it just adds a little extra UMPH to the effect, you know what i mean?

[RichmanMatthew]

I sort of understand what you mean. However, I think that "Liquidsn" does it better than Ray himself.

[APassivePoke]

I was looking for the sleight and I still didn't see it. That was unbelievable.

[JackofJokers]

I learned Shifty on a DVD called 'Tricks That Will Get You Paid' by Gary Norsegian (sp?) which is a way easier, improved method of Kenner's original S.W. Elevator from his book 'Totally Out Of Control' which I also love. I would say Shifty (a.k.a S.W. Elevator) is the best, hands down rising card if that's what you want to call it.

[APassivePoke]

To be picky, Shifty is a simplified version of S.W. Elevator. They're not the same method.

[AllanLuu]

To the people who are saying Fallen has bad angles, I doubt you actually bought the download/ DVD. If you would have, you would know that the angle are not half bad and they are very easy to cover.

With that being said, I would probably go with fallen, it's very open, and it is possibly one of the most visual, non gimmicked elevator cards out there.

P.S. If anyone would like to debate the issue on fallens angles, I will be more then happy to.

[Eddie]

To the people who are saying Fallen has bad angles, I doubt you actually bought the download/ DVD. If you would have, you would know that the angle are not half bad and they are very easy to cover.

With that being said, I would probably go with fallen, it's very open, and it is possibly one of the most visual, non gimmicked elevator cards out there.

P.S. If anyone would like to debate the issue on fallens angles, I will be more then happy to.

The angles are practically the same as the 3 effects mentioned here. But I don't really like Fallen at all. Less appealing in my eyes.

[RichmanMatthew]

The angles are practically the same as the 3 effects mentioned here. But I don't really like Fallen at all. Less appealing in my eyes.

Raise Rise can be seen from all angles except from below.

[JakeH147]

Raise Rise can be seen from all angles except from below.

Where can Raise Rise be learned? You guys have me excited now :P

[senchi]

Raise Rise is the move you should learn.. I can´t do it but Ray Cosby showcases some remarkable applications of this move,,, other then the elevator card that is...
Check one of his card DVDs for the explanation of the move,,,He really does some amazing stuff with it.

[RichmanMatthew]

I can already do the move very well. You can see a "performance" of the move in the intro to this video here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozo1JBnxG-M&feature=user

***Wach it in High Quality***

P.S.

That is in slow-motion.

[APassivePoke]

You can learn it in Ray Kosby's "Impossible Card Magic" DVD. Here's a review for it on the E forums

http://www.elusionist.com/forums/showthread.php?t=62577