Created Tricks Thread

[darosa.justin]

Have you ever created an effect, a sleight or presentational method? But was the idea crushed because you couldn't think of ways to make it the way you REALLY wanted it ?

If so, then I hope this thread will help you out.

What I want here is a thread where people can help others with their own material. For example, if I had a basic idea of an effect, but needed help to make it stronger, I just had to post something on this thread and people would help out!

Anyway, if this whole idea of a helping out thread doesnt work, too bad then.
But I wanted your opinion for something I may/may not ahve created. The link is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzKOtJ7-m9o

You'll probably be able to figure out how it's done. I want to make the illusion much, much stronger. If you guys can help me out, please do. Any ideas for the effect would be great!

P.S. If this has already been done, please notify me. Thanks!

[2ndDeal]

Have you ever created an effect, a sleight or presentational method? But was the idea crushed because you couldn't think of ways to make it the way you REALLY wanted it ?

If so, then I hope this thread will help you out.

What I want here is a thread where people can help others with their own material. For example, if I had a basic idea of an effect, but needed help to make it stronger, I just had to post something on this thread and people would help out!

Anyway, if this whole idea of a helping out thread doesnt work, too bad then.
But I wanted your opinion for something I may/may not ahve created. The link is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzKOtJ7-m9o

You'll probably be able to figure out how it's done. I want to make the illusion much, much stronger. If you guys can help me out, please do. Any ideas for the effect would be great!

P.S. If this has already been done, please notify me. Thanks!


Card through Card Box is a classic effect.

I would take the card out of the box face down, without showing it yet, then I would show the box, and finally reveal the signed card.

[DavidMisner]

Have you ever created an effect, a sleight or presentational method? But was the idea crushed because you couldn't think of ways to make it the way you REALLY wanted it ?

If so, then I hope this thread will help you out.

What I want here is a thread where people can help others with their own material. For example, if I had a basic idea of an effect, but needed help to make it stronger, I just had to post something on this thread and people would help out!

Anyway, if this whole idea of a helping out thread doesnt work, too bad then.
But I wanted your opinion for something I may/may not ahve created. The link is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzKOtJ7-m9o

You'll probably be able to figure out how it's done. I want to make the illusion much, much stronger. If you guys can help me out, please do. Any ideas for the effect would be great!

P.S. If this has already been done, please notify me. Thanks!

I liked it! Definitely pull the card out upside down to raise the suspense a bit. It was fairly easy to figure out, but the way you presented it was a new idea. I liked the idea of melting the bottom of the box and pulling it through. Good work!

David

[Aris.SA]

I liked it.. pull it face down =)...

I think that maybe do this one, and follow with KAOS and the reactions will be HUGE I think, havent tried :P

[darosa.justin]

Thanks so much guys.

I think pulling the card face down won't be too hard to alter. Any other tips on making the actual illusion stronger? (Someway to show the card pulling out), etc.

Has this thing been done before?

[Deechristopher]

Maybe consider the idea of using a gimmick on the bottom of the box, something as simple as the bottom panel off of a another deck and playing around with that. Essentially so you can show the card pulling through.

If you cut it in half you could make it look as if you were pulling from the middle of the pack through the bottom of the box.

I haven't tried it myself, but it should get the creative juices flowing!

Cheers, D.

[Shodan]

Steve Brooks has an effect on the market called "Free Fall" in which a card penetrates the box, but it does so suddenly, unlike the slow motion version you've put together.

Greg Wilson has a routine called "BoxSpring" in which the four aces penetrate the box one by one in different ways. If you look through his published works you can find a couple of different handlings for this effect, which is notable because at various stages throughout the routine the spectators get to examine the box immediately before a card jumps through it. My favourite phase is one where he literally "chops" a card right through the box - a very striking magical moment! Greg's routine is impromptu, Steve's trick is a little less so.

In other words - yes, this sort of thing has been done before!

[darosa.justin]

Thanks for the info Shodan.

But there's nothing really the same as this I believe, so it's pretty much original?

[ninja]

nice you should make a variation were the card is coming throught the face of the box.

let me explain: the card selected signed and replaced shuffled be spec, and the box is examined and the deck is sent to the box as fairly as possible and hold the deck upside down (bicycle down) and a little bit below the bicycle logo the card starts to fall out of the pack perpendicular to the box by itself and the card is pulled out and turned over to show it is the signed card and everything is examinable. acctually this sounds pretty good now that i think about it no one steal it i'm thinking about the method! :D

[darosa.justin]

nice you should make a variation were the card is coming throught the face of the box.

let me explain: the card selected signed and replaced shuffled be spec, and the box is examined and the deck is sent to the box as fairly as possible and hold the deck upside down (bicycle down) and a little bit below the bicycle logo the card starts to fall out of the pack perpendicular to the box by itself and the card is pulled out and turned over to show it is the signed card and everything is examinable. acctually this sounds pretty good now that i think about it no one steal it i'm thinking about the method! :D

Yeah.....what?

[owen.christian]

I'm going to have to agree with the others... pull the card out face down. I know a way to have the spectator shuffle the deck. That would be awesome. I'll PM you the method if you want.

[ninja]

Yeah.....what?

instead of pulling it from the bottom you pull it for the face of the box like right below were it says BICYCLE and it would be perpendicular (dictionary if needed) i think it sounds awsome:D

[JackOSpadesNik]

Nice effect. Been done before but cool still.

I'm working on something similar, but instead of the card melting out, I'm trying to lay it on the outside of the box, shake it with one hand, and have it visually melt through.

Good job though.

[darosa.justin]

I'm going to have to agree with the others... pull the card out face down. I know a way to have the spectator shuffle the deck. That would be awesome. I'll PM you the method if you want.

Yeah it resally doesnt matter...I have a variation where the spec can shuffle too.

Can someone help me out with the actual illusion though? In real life it's not that great.

[2ndDeal]

Yeah it resally doesnt matter...I have a variation where the spec can shuffle too.

Can someone help me out with the actual illusion though? In real life it's not that great.

What do you mean by the illusion? Do specs find out the method? Or do you mean presentation?

[caruso]

i have created a color change and couple cuts
for those that have seen :)

[darosa.justin]

What do you mean by the illusion? Do specs find out the method? Or do you mean presentation?

Like, in the mirror the illusion looks great. But in real life, people can easily find out the method, and they have said "this on isn't good compared to your others"

[Tenchu]

Cool thread.

I hope I don't get flamed, edited and/or banned because some kind of "exposure". Those are ideas I came up. Feel free to play with them and maybe something cool will evolve from it.

About the tricks with card box you mentioned.

I wish I had more time and english skills to write something about personal "inventions", but I'll just give you some ideas that maybe will be usable.

- You can make a quite cool blank box simply by ungluing the card box and gluing it with the printed stuff inside. With a card with a blank back you can make some nifty stuff like a reveal on the box or a 2 card transpo (which is more complicated).

- By sticking a card between those two glued flaps on the bottom of the box you can open the box without destroying the seal on the top, so you can load any stacked or gimmicked deck inside, or you can make a cool transportation to a sealed box, just put some double sided stick tape on one of the flaps, and by palming the card from one deck load it in the box that you can have in your backpocket, then close the flaps, apply pressure and you're ready to reveal the card. The box will be perfectly closed and ready to even examine after the trick.

That's all for now.

Peace.

[darosa.justin]

Cool thread.

- By sticking a card between those two glued flaps on the bottom of the box you can open the box without destroying the seal on the top, so you can load any stacked or gimmicked deck inside, or you can make a cool transportation to a sealed box, just put some double sided stick tape on one of the flaps, and by palming the card from one deck load it in the box that you can have in your backpocket, then close the flaps, apply pressure and you're ready to reveal the card. The box will be perfectly closed and ready to even examine after the trick.

That's all for now.

Peace.


One of the most complicated things I've read, but thanks for the input! Ill think about it!

[Tenchu]

One of the most complicated things I've read, but thanks for the input! Ill think about it!

Heh I understand. Well, let me use the ghost box pic:

http://www.elusionist.com/galleries/BlackGhost2/cards/BlackGhost_tuckbox.jpg

On the bottom of the box, there's a flap with the bar code and the same one but with the "Glue" text. When the box is factory glued just stick a playing card between those flaps and you can open the deck box from the bottom, without destroying the seal. So, you have access to the box from the bottom.

Now you can put some double sided stick tape on the "Glue" flap and you have a prepared box for the trick.
Leave it open, or use that special slick paper on the glue tape so the box won't seal itself by mistake.

Just put the box in your backpocket so the open bottom sticks outside the pocket, and by palming the card from another deck you can put the card inside this box, now just close the flaps (the stick tape will seal the bottom) and you have a card inside. In a sealed box. Magic! :D ;)

I hope that helps.

Peace.

[darosa.justin]

Heh I understand. Well, let me use the ghost box pic:

http://www.elusionist.com/galleries/BlackGhost2/cards/BlackGhost_tuckbox.jpg

On the bottom of the box, there's a flap with the bar code and the same one but with the "Glue" text. When the box is factory glued just stick a playing card between those flaps and you can open the deck box from the bottom, without destroying the seal. So, you have access to the box from the bottom.

Now you can put some double sided stick tape on the "Glue" flap and you have a prepared box for the trick.
Leave it open, or use that special slick paper on the glue tape so the box won't seal itself by mistake.

Just put the box in your backpocket so the open bottom sticks outside the pocket, and by palming the card from another deck you can put the card inside this box, now just close the flaps (the stick tape will seal the bottom) and you have a card inside. In a sealed box. Magic! :D ;)

I hope that helps.

Peace.

OH I get it now, thanks!

But it be hard to get a palmed card into the box.

[Tenchu]

Well, not really. I tried this and it takes max 5 seconds to do that with the sealing of the deck. It takes just a lil' bit of practice.

The easiest way is you gotta feel the flap with your fingertips and then just stick the card next to the side of the card box. Then you'll have the card on the top of the deck, so after taking the cards off the box a cut will place the card in the middle of the deck. You can place the card face up, just play with the positioning of the cards or you can use different colors of the decks.

It's really easy and the effect is mindblowing, the fact the box was sealed and you can give people the box to examine so there's no trap doors or stuff like that makes it uber cool.

Peace.

[darosa.justin]

Cool idea. I don't really feel for this one, but I really look forward to seeing a performance of it from you!

[darosa.justin]

Hey guys, I worked on my gimmick for the trick discussed here.

I'm just waiting for the empty boxes to arrive, so I can make the final 2 types of gimmick and choose the best one.

I have a new trick in mind, let me explain the effect:

A freely selected card can be signed, ensuring it IS the only one in the deck.
Next, the card is mixed into the deck. The magician then tries to make ONE cut to the selected card. He does so, and believes he has succeeded until his audience tells him it isn't their card.

He then puts the wrong card away, saying "Hopefully, it's easier if I do it with 51 cards!" (Joke..ha...ha)
He asks a spectator to squeeze the magicians hands which are holding the deck above & below. The spectator then feels the deck begin 'squished' until there's only a few cards left.

The cards are turned to she they are the 4 Aces and in between the aces is a face-down card....you know the rest...

I know there's Ghost by David Stone, and Here There and Everywhere by Aaron Fisher. However, I'm not sure if the method is the same as Here There and Everywhere.
Are there any other similar/same effects?

[emagician]

I came up with an effect like Pulling Through once, where the card phases through the face of the box but I ditched it because the gimmick was going to be impossible to make perfectly.

[darosa.justin]

I came up with an effect like Pulling Through once, where the card phases through the face of the box but I ditched it because the gimmick was going to be impossible to make perfectly.

I kind've have the same problem. But, i think my gimmick is relatively reliable & easy to make.

[kevin]

I got a trick but i want to wait for my friend to videotape it for youtube before i explain... Good thread!

use the plastic sleve to hold it in and have a spectator hold the pack by the sides. It will make the experience seem more real. Also, as with any trick, performance and connecting with your audience is of utmost importance. I have seen legendary magicans get crappy reactions with awesome tricks, and seen crappy tricks get awesome reactions.

the difference: presentation.

kevin

[darosa.justin]

I got a trick but i want to wait for my friend to videotape it for youtube before i explain... Good thread!

use the plastic sleve to hold it in and have a spectator hold the pack by the sides. It will make the experience seem more real. Also, as with any trick, performance and connecting with your audience is of utmost importance. I have seen legendary magicans get crappy reactions with awesome tricks, and seen crappy tricks get awesome reactions.

the difference: presentation.

kevin

I agree, and I did think about getting the spectator to hold the deck at frist. But then I thought, although getting the audience into the effect, what is the point for doing so in 'Pulling Through'? HOW would it make the effect any stronger?

It doesn't. So then I realised this.

But as I've said above, I'm making a new gimmick soon, and from there I'll refine the trick to it's utmost best. Then, I'll post a promo vid...

[iq92]

I like Tenchu's idea of the "sealed" box gimmick. I already though of a lot of possibilities a few minutes after reading that, so thanks. Cool idea Tenchu.

As for Pulling Through, if you want to make it stronger then the things that I think would make it so would be to able to let the spectator hold on to something (card or box) during the penetration, or maybe you can create the illusion of the card already halfway through the box by showing the box sideways. I haven't really got into thinking of how to do these but I think they'd make your effect stronger.

EDIT: I was thinking of how to do the things I said above and I think I came up with a little foundation you can build on.

Please tell me if i'm saying too much, I'll edit this if so.

If the back of the box is the same as the backs of the cards, like Bikes, then you can easily show the illusion of a plain box with the deck inside, even when looked at from the back. The specs won't notice anything. You can even let them hold the box, the texture of the card and the box isn't very noticeable if you get the spec's attention to something else or if they're holding it with only their thumb with the 4 fingers on the front of the box. I guess this will cover the inspection prior to the penetration and the only other thing you need to take care of is the half-moon cut at the back of the box. Maybe you could just cover it with your hand.
If you want to let them hold onto the box during the penetration then, I think you should first melt the card halfway through, then let them hold onto one end of the box, the end that you're pulling away from. That way you can melt the rest of the card through while they're holding the other end of the box.

If you want to show the card halfway through with the box sideways, I thought of showing the box sideways but use your hand to partially cover the end of the box that you're pulling away from. From there, place you forefinger parallel to the card and the end of the box then use it to bend the card against the part of the box where it's hanging from. It will look like the card is coming out from the middle of the box. Use the thumb if necesarry to make the card straight while you're bending it. I though of these with what I think was your method in mind, so I may be wrong. If it's right, then you'll get it. These are the best I could think of right now, so maybe you could make it better.

Hope this helps. :D

[Tenchu]

Hey iq92, I really like the idea of the "visual" penetration of the card, I'm not sure if I understand everything you wrote, it sounds quite hard to accomplish the effect.

I thought also to do it with a completely sealed deck, with the plastic foil and the seal. The idea is the same, but for the plastic you gotta cut out the bottom with the razor. I'm not sure about the spectator holding the deck while unsealing it. While opening the deck just put the bottom of the box on the palm of your hand to not expose the lack of plastic and from this position open the plastic foil and throw it away. No one should notice anything.

I hope this will evolve and we'll have some killer effects.

Peace.

[darosa.justin]

Hey iq92, great ideas there.

I actually have a gimmick I'm going to make soon. It will allow me to show the box from the bottom, with the card coming through the box, and not from the bottom of the box.

Spectators will be able to notice that the card is not actually coming from under the box.

[iq92]

Thanks guys, glad you liked it. I'll try to make myself clearer on my showing-the-box-sideways idea.

Basically, you want to show that the card is coming out from the middle instead of from one side. To achieve this, you just bend the card towards the middle of the deck using your forefinger after getting it halfway through. So the card is on the bottom while you're pulling it right? Just bend it so it looks as if it's coming from the middle. This illusion is to be shown with the box sideways, btw. Naturally, they'll see the middle of the card that's bent, for that you just raise your hand a bit to cover the bent area. Turn over the deck again then proceed with your penetration.

On a side note, if you happen to own Daryl's Ambitious Card DVD, watch the part near the end. I'm not gonna say much but he uses this special gimmick that allows your card to travel from the middle of the deck to the top. This part of the routine is his finale. It is quite hard to create, much less obtain, as Daryl himself said. If you can somehow modify that gimmick to work for your card through box effect, then you can probably put a card on top of the deck then it comes out in the middle of it. It may be hard, but you can try.

Good Luck :D

[darosa.justin]

As I said I'm just waiting for the materials to make my gimmick. It wil allow me to actually show the bottom [face] of the box (the design of the bicycle card side). This wil show that the card is actualy coming from inside the box and not under it.

From there, I'll try and devise a way in which the card can be shown to be comnig from the middle of the deck, not the bottom.

Thanks for the advice though iq92!

[Tenchu]

Cool, now I get it. :D

Awesome stuff guys.

[iq92]

Ok ok, good to hear you're making progress. Would you mind keeping me updated on that?

Since this is a created tricks thread, I thought I'd throw in my idea as well. I think I was able to come up with a sleight that allows me to turn over a card and put it in the middle of the deck quickly, casually, and even in front of the specs without them noticing. The turning over and the putting the card in the middle of the deck all happen in the guise of a simple swing cut, in maybe just a second. In short, you cut the deck once, and it happens.

So with that kind of sleight, and the advantage of the quick turn over and replacement of the card, what effects can you suggest that I use this sleight in? A simple triumph is nice but I wanted something a little different to use the sleight in. Maybe you guys have new effects that could work with this.

Thanks :cool:

[Sean_Raf]

Speaking of Triumph's I came up with this a while ago. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwymXZ9RQdA

iq92:

You could use the sleight in an inversion routine. Such as Perversion by Chris Kenner. There are a number of them out there I think. :)

- Sean

[iq92]

Cool triumph routine Sean, nice :D

It's kind of like a utility move in my opinion but yeah, inversion tricks are the way to go. I'll try to experiment more n the sleight.

[darosa.justin]

Speaking of Triumph's I came up with this a while ago. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwymXZ9RQdA

iq92:

You could use the sleight in an inversion routine. Such as Perversion by Chris Kenner. There are a number of them out there I think. :)

- Sean

Oh My god. Please, PLEASE release this. That was just truly amazing. That was just like real magic.

It's been a long time since I've been compeltely floored....until 2 minutes ago:P

[Sean_Raf]

Oh My god. Please, PLEASE release this. That was just truly amazing. That was just like real magic.

It's been a long time since I've been compeltely floored....until 2 minutes ago:P

Haha, I'm glad you liked it. :) Maybe I will in the future, but like I said, I don't even know whether it's done before so I couldn't really.

- Sean

[darosa.justin]

Hey guys,

I made the 1st version of the gimmick.
I'd like to shoot a quick video of a raw performance using the gimmick, but I don't know how I should do it.
I mean, should I jsut post the link here so everyoe can see? Or should I just send a PM to those who really want to help?

Also, should I show the gimmick so you guys can get a better idea, or just show a raw performance?

The reason I'm doing this is because the trick so far is very, unrefined and needs much improvement. I just want to find a way in which people can help me with the handling and improvements to the trick/gimmick.

thanks so much!