My coin vanish... Evolution

[MindTrapMagic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjQux_qzO1s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q7iEuJSEL0

That is a coin vanish i invented. Sorry for the bad camera, i filmed it off my phone. What do you guys think? Is it worthy of being marketed?

[warlock]

nice one. what inspired it?

[MindTrapMagic]

nice one. what inspired it?

Thats actually a good question....i really dont know. The idea just popped into my head one day and i went from there

[Steve Simmons]

Pretty good man. I'd like to see a wider camera angle though, but from what I saw, nice! :)

[magicdurkey]

I think it's really good vanish :) you end totally clean ?

[MindTrapMagic]

Ill make a wider angle hold on. And yea your clean, theres no pulls or magnets. And i edited my first post and added a second video

[WILL-I-AM]

Looks good dude

[MindTrapMagic]

Thanks. Im looking forward to hear from everybody else

[Bernard Brandon]

Nice coin vanish, but the title sounds like Kevin Parker's "REVOLUTION" coin vanish:p Without the e though.

[Djmckee]

Haha Thats looks Good But the method is simple. I Think? Nice Vanish Tho

[MindTrapMagic]

Nice coin vanish, but the title sounds like Kevin Parker's "REVOLUTION" coin vanish:p Without the e though.

Its called Evolved lol. Dont know how you got Evolution out of that. But honestly feel free to post how you think its done. Its been up on other forums for a while and they have yet to post the correct method.

[sidrohc]

Pretty good.. Did you submit it to T11? BTW in the topic name it's called evolution...

[MindTrapMagic]

Pretty good.. Did you submit it to T11? BTW in the topic name it's called evolution...

Ah crap. My bad. That was a mistake. Somebody just IMed me while i was making this thread about revolution and i guess it just registered in my head. Its supposed to be Evolved. And no i havnt submitted it

[y2john]

Looks good

Well done

If it's wat I think it is though it's already been done, I could be wrong but it seems maybe the basic method is the same.

[MindTrapMagic]

Looks good

Well done

If it's wat I think it is though it's already been done, I could be wrong but it seems maybe the basic method is the same.


PM me and tell me what you think

[hawk7]

well, i think it looks like a great vanish, but i also believe that there's more to consider when you actually want to sell it, like how's the handling, how clean do you end and things like that, so from just seeing a performance video you can't really tell wheather it would be a good effect to release. anyway, if you're confident about it just send it to t11 and you will see what they have to say.

[MindTrapMagic]

well, i think it looks like a great vanish, but i also believe that there's more to consider when you actually want to sell it, like how's the handling, how clean do you end and things like that, so from just seeing a performance video you can't really tell wheather it would be a good effect to release. anyway, if you're confident about it just send it to t11 and you will see what they have to say.

I do this on the streets all the time and i have yet to recieve a dull reaction.



P.S. If people are guessing im throwing it down my shirt your wrong, just though id clear that up

[ToonMagic]

Can this trick be performed with audience?

P.S. Very clean and swift.

[MindTrapMagic]

Can this trick be performed with audience?

P.S. Very clean and swift.

Just as i stated in my last post, i do this all the time on the streets. And thank you

[AndyCL]

If you incorperated that into a routine it would really add to it, that's for sure.

[Sypris]

I don't understand the point of this post? If it is to show off a new sleight that you have been working on thats great, but it seems that it is leaning more towards the "I bet you can't figure it out... but keep trying." Put your coin vanish in a routine and then show it, rather then this cat and mouse game you are doing.

BTW i'm not trying to bash your post, the video does look good.



Sypris

[Ineski]

Wow, looks very good on camera. Very visual, I hope it works in the real world too.

[MindTrapMagic]

I don't understand the point of this post? If it is to show off a new sleight that you have been working on thats great, but it seems that it is leaning more towards the "I bet you can't figure it out... but keep trying." Put your coin vanish in a routine and then show it, rather then this cat and mouse game you are doing.

BTW i'm not trying to bash your post, the video does look good.



Sypris


My intention was not for this to becoming a guessign thread. I even said if you do have any guesses to PM me.

[joshua barrett]

im not sure whats the point in selling a single coin vanish, without a routine its... well just another coin vanish. its hard to give any advice on orinailty without knowing the method, so you might want to confide in someone knowledge in the matter, i can offer you some names if you like.

[MindTrapMagic]

im not sure whats the point in selling a single coin vanish, without a routine its... well just another coin vanish. its hard to give any advice on orinailty without knowing the method, so you might want to confide in someone knowledge in the matter, i can offer you some names if you like.

This coin vanish can be used however you want it to. Its your imagination use it however it appeals to you.

[Danny Joseph]

You ask if we think this is good enough to be marketed.

Three things:
- The practicality issue, but you've already adressed that in other posts.

- DO RESEARCH! There have been a lot of releases lately of 'old, but forgotten or revamped' principles, which turned out to be either crap or someone else's work. Contact some knowledgeable people, have them look at it (yes, method too), so you might find out about any similar ideas. Even though you may not have used them for inspiration, it'd still be nice. And should the exact same idea already have been published, then congrats on thinking it up yourself! :)

- Third, a general statement. In the last few months, a slew of products has hit or almost hit the market by several kids (by that I mean 14 or 15 year olds). One did it just to get some attention, then wisely decided to back down.
Another, who goes by the name of Dan Army (gentlemen, start your search engines) has released several items and is now widely disliked (I'll keep it clean).

This is not a statement against young people coming up with their own stuff, rather an advice FOR them. Keep it to yourself, what's the rush? Let it soak, grow and develop, come up with more ideas, nurture your creativity. Rushing to get your name 'out there' isn;t always a good thing.

[joshua barrett]

i understand that, but what makes this different then the other thousand methods thats what im asking. its one thing to publish it in a magizine or in a book of material but to charge someone 10 bucks or whatever id want to ask myself what about this will add to whats already been done.

also its very possiable to recreate somthing already in text. such as the crimp change for example turned out to be demache chanage from like 1902. gotta do the homework

[MindTrapMagic]

You ask if we think this is good enough to be marketed.

Three things:
- The practicality issue, but you've already adressed that in other posts.

- DO RESEARCH! There have been a lot of releases lately of 'old, but forgotten or revamped' principles, which turned out to be either crap or someone else's work. Contact some knowledgeable people, have them look at it (yes, method too), so you might find out about any similar ideas. Even though you may not have used them for inspiration, it'd still be nice. And should the exact same idea already have been published, then congrats on thinking it up yourself! :)

- Third, a general statement. In the last few months, a slew of products has hit or almost hit the market by several kids (by that I mean 14 or 15 year olds). One did it just to get some attention, then wisely decided to back down.
Another, who goes by the name of Dan Army (gentlemen, start your search engines) has released several items and is now widely disliked (I'll keep it clean).

This is not a statement against young people coming up with their own stuff, rather an advice FOR them. Keep it to yourself, what's the rush? Let it soak, grow and develop, come up with more ideas, nurture your creativity. Rushing to get your name 'out there' isn;t always a good thing.

Ive researched believe me and i havnt found a vanish tahts done like mine.

[scottbaird]

I'm not a fan of the "motion" you use. Can it not be done slowly, with a smaller motion? I think it would make it look about a TRILLION times better.

Scott.

[MindTrapMagic]

I'm not a fan of the "motion" you use. Can it not be done slowly, with a smaller motion? I think it would make it look about a TRILLION times better.

Scott.

Yea definetly, want me to make another vid?

[Cardmagic12345]

YES i found out how to do it!

[MadNuke]

In terms of marketing, the Theory11 forums are probably not the best place to be.

Why don't you invest in, rent, or borrow a decent camera and a tripod. Film the effect from multiple angles and distances. be honest in terms of the tricks specifications and definitely your research. Go through J.J. Bobo's Modern Coin Magic and see if your sleights are taught there. Give your video to markets like MJM and Penguin and see what they have to say.

Let's assume your effect is flawless, new, and practical. That does nothing if you don't properly, effectively, and honestly market it. Why not keep the secret to yourself for a year or two to build some interest and see what the reactions are?

My $00.02

[Shanku]

^^ Am I seeing double???
^^ Am I seeing double???

anyway.... very, very nice vanish!!! Would be better if you slowed it down and let the audience absorb the effect. Sell it at Ellusionist - Brad Christian is willing to make and sell a 30 minute DVD on a single sleight (like Shapeshifter - more of a utility/slight/colour change than a full on trick/effect) or trick (think Revolution) no problems....

[MindTrapMagic]

YES i found out how to do it!

Actually you didnt. The method you PMed me wasnt even close:D. Any other guesses PM me everyone

[manicania]

first video:(this is sarcastic): either you dropped it, or you're a witch!

second video:I think I figured it out, how long did it take to perfect?
and how long did it take to get it down good?

[MindTrapMagic]

first video:(this is sarcastic): either you dropped it, or you're a witch!

second video:I think I figured it out, how long did it take to perfect?
and how long did it take to get it down good?

No i dont drop it lol. And im not saying anything along the lines of me being a witch O.o lol. But it really only took me about 20 minutes to completly perfect it. It took me muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch longer than that to make the method though

[coin_aholic]

Man, that was the worst damn video I have ever seen...

however the trick looked very nice!

do some more work with the camera, and your vids will look better

[MindTrapMagic]

Man, that was the worst damn video I have ever seen...

however the trick looked very nice!

do some more work with the camera, and your vids will look better


Wish i could man....dont have a camera just my phone:(

[y2john]

So can this be done topless?

[MindTrapMagic]

So can this be done topless?

No....but why would you want to anyway.

[y2john]

I was asking because then i'd know if the top is in some way involved...
Breakown coin vanish looks very similar to this

[MindTrapMagic]

I was asking because then i'd know if the top is in some way involved...
Breakown coin vanish looks very similar to this


PM me breakdown.

[coin_aholic]

You cant market that, are you serious?
you have to wait, perform it and now it inside and out.

look at every famous Magician out there, like Varnon, Graham Kirk, Frank Garcia, David Roth Paul Harris (wel him not so mcuh...lol). the waited many years before releasing things.
and if you do to you might have a very full dvd/book by then.

[Chicken]

Is it possible to be... er... reproduced? If it cannot, its worth in many routines is destroyed.

[MindTrapMagic]

Is it possible to be... er... reproduced? If it cannot, its worth in many routines is destroyed.

Yes it can. Hell if you wanted to you could have it re-appear in your mouth or something.

[JDENredden]

It Looks Like U Just Dropped It

[MindTrapMagic]

It Looks Like U Just Dropped It

Thats what everone says haha. I dont though, im talking to places about marketing it. Penguinmagic said they would send the video to be viewed by people and stuff and they said theyd get back to me. But no, i dont drop it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IsP8KaTG-c
^Another vid of it