Silver Dream or Digital Dissolve?

[magicianforever1993]

Which do you think is better? There both very nice tricks even though I can only get digital disolve from my local magic shop now. I like the sleveing used in silver dream and done well looks unditectible but probably takes alot of practice. Also I belive Silver dream's teachings could be used for other efects. But digital dissolve is the most clean finishing gaffed coin trick I have ever seen. What do you think?

[mattlee]

Exposure, mods please delete.

[Dex]

Exposure ?

On the internet page of silver dream on ellusionist it's written about three times that it's done with sleeving.

[smith_cj]

Unless the post has changed from the original post, I don't see this as exposure. Silver Dream is marketed as a sleeving DVD (says so on the page you buy it from) and Digital Dissolve is known to involve gaffed coins.

Short answer = Silver Dream

That being said, I'd base my decision around a few factors:

Silver Dream is definatly applicable to more situations, hands down. I use various vanishes from the DVD in other contexts on a regular basis...and the fact that the main version of the effect is gimmick-free and impromptu is great.

The catch? Obviously, you have to wear sleeves. Granted, there's a "sleevless" gimmicked version...but you have to do extra work to end clean and frankly, the part of the DVD that makes the purchase worth the price is the description Justin does of sleeving.

If you're in a controlled environment and you're working, say at a restaurant and will have the gimmick on you, DD is a fun effect. Very visual. However, Silver Dream is very visual, and can be performed without the gimmick...here's MY breakdown:

DigD Pros:
VERY visual startling change
Happens on the spectators hand and gets them involved
Easy. There's one move you'll have to work on to get it looking 100% natural, but still, easy.

DigD Cons:
Gimmick involved, not impromptu.
IF the "easy" move is off JUST A LITTLE, the effect mechanism becomes painfully obvious.
End slightly dirty---easy to clean up because all heat is on the coins in the spectators hands, but still, end dirty

SilverD Pros:
One on one sleeving lecture with Justin Miller.
Three vanishes can be used individually during other routines.
End clean. Let'em grab at your hands...the coins are NOT there.

SilverD Cons:
Let's face it, it's fairly difficult to get used to. You WILL drop the coins in the beginning. It WILL take time to get it down. You most likely won't be performing this one for a little while...especially if coin-work is new to you.
You have to wear sleeves. There's nothing special about the gimmicked version of Silver Dream that would make it worthy of the purchase price....plus then you're adding the con of having to have a gimmick on you.

[magicianforever1993]

sry ill delete

[magicianforever1993]

hold on i am not deleting it is advertised as sleveing thank you

[JackOSpadesNik]

Wait, does anyone know when DD will be back?

[copperfield 14]

Wait, does anyone know when DD will be back?

We have to wait and see. Hope it does return I want it.

[TheStreetAce]

Stick with DD it's ALOT more visual. Visual Magic = Psychotic Reactions. Man, I hope DD comes back soon!

[Chicken]

I cannot recommend Silver Dream enough. Just get it.


Actually, on second thought. How experienced are you in coin magic? 2 or 3 months of hard practice will remotely prepare you for the difficulty of Silver Dream.

If you do not have Michael Ammar's coin dvd, or David Roth's Dvd's, or DAvid Stones Dvds, it's not worth it to get either effect.


Also. Why would you want "psycho" reactions. YOu want to amaze your spectator, not drive them insane.

-Chicken

[Justin Miller]

Thanks guys for the support of Silver Dream..you guys made it number 3 in the Magic woods awards!

DD is def. more of a visual effect..but this is like comparing apples to oranges!
DD is a two coin transpo..very visual and very clean looking..

SD is a three coin vanish that is also very clean. SD is structured in a way that ALLOWS the mind to believe the vanishes are visual..

SD will def take you some time to get to a point where you are comfortable and even more time to get to the point of where you are confident with it.


DD or SD that is the question...

Justin N. Miller

[C=B]

Silver Dream, all the way.

I like DD but heres what a you get, a VERY short dvd that has an easter egg that teaches the effect better than Dan White (sorry, but its true). And a gimmick which may or may not work... You also get a great effect no doubt about that though.

Silver Dream is one of the best purchases i've ever made. I was a bare bones beginner in coin magic when I got it and now, almost a year later, I can sleeve like no tomorrow... and that is thanks to Justin's impecible (sp?) teaching.


Sharp

[Krash]

I know this doesn't really have anything to do with Digital Dissolve, but I figured I'd ask seeing how it deals with Silver Dream.

Is it feasible to use silver dollars for it instead of half dollars? I'm thinking of picking a few of them up sometime and I wanted to know if I could transfer the use of them instead of half dollars.

Thanks,

Shane K.

[Chicken]

Sure you can do it with silver dollars. If you look on Justin's site... not wait that got removed.


Just look for a performance of Justin doing it on youtube with silver dollars. THE CRAZIEST SILVER DREAM I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!

I have had the dvd for months, and consider myself quite adequete with coin magic. I did not see a thing.


-Chicken

[smith_cj]

To add onto the question about Silver Dream and using Silver Dollars...you most certainly can.

If you don't own it, learning some (one in particular) of the vanishes will almost be like learning the muscle pass....in that you'll have to build up muscles to be able to do the vanish adequately with a larger coin.

BUT, once you've done it, and then you go back to a on-the-street "show me something" setting where all you have are quarters on you, the quarters seem like they just melt away.

Doing it wil Silver Dollars is indeed more difficult at first, but VERY MUCH worth the effort. If you get the effect, start by using quarters or halves and work your way up to the larger coins. If I can ever get my camera back (its broke), I'll record a performance with silver dollars and post it.

[Krash]

Ah, it definatly sounds like I've got my work cut out for me. I'm definatly going to see if I can't get ahold of some silver dollars sometime in the very near future.

I've already developed a decent muscle pass with half dollars, but from what I understand I'm going to have to learn to get used to muscle passing something bigger. Oh well, hard work is always welcome to me!

Shane K.

[smith_cj]

Just to clarify, I'm not refering to the actual muscle pass. I'm saying that SIMILARLY to the fact that one must work up their muscle to do a muscle pass, one will also have to work up a certain muscle to do one of the vanishes on silver dream. It'll take practice...but eventually, you'll be able to do it with large coins. The vanish I'm refering to doesn't use a muscle pass....but I was making that statement to give you an idea of how you'll have to practice the vanish.

[magicianforever1993]

I cannot recommend Silver Dream enough. Just get it.


Actually, on second thought. How experienced are you in coin magic? 2 or 3 months of hard practice will remotely prepare you for the difficulty of Silver Dream.

If you do not have Michael Ammar's coin dvd, or David Roth's Dvd's, or DAvid Stones Dvds, it's not worth it to get either effect.


Also. Why would you want "psycho" reactions. YOu want to amaze your spectator, not drive them insane.

-Chicken
I have been realy in to magic for about three years now and I am pretty good. I know silver dream is challenging but i think I can get the hang of it

[magicianforever1993]

If that was the real Justin Miller thank you for posting on my thread I am a big fan I like all your efects especialy X marks the spot.

[Justin Miller]

anytime bro!

Justin N. Miller

[atomo]

Seriously cool to see Justin Miller on this forum! im practicing silver dream constantly at the minute, i keep thinking im ready to perform, but will occaisionally drop a coin, and tell myself it needs another couple of weeks.

I dont own digital dissolve, and i cant deny that it is visual, but to me Silver Dream is as good as coin magic gets, and is an extremely visual effect.

Justin Miller is coin genuis, and if your reading this mate- i would love to see some more coin based stuff from you, because everything so far has been pure class. how about a 3 coin production to go into silver dream with?

[Jack]

Word! Thanks for writing all of that so I didn't have to "smith_cj" :)

Cheers!

[Justin Miller]

As far as a two coin transpo goes I think DD is teh best visual and pleasing routine to do for any audience. Get it Get it Get it..ADMISSION IS...FREE!!!

Atom, sent you a pm bro.

[Chicken]

Hmmm. Yeah, I think Silver Dream would go well with a 3 coin pro, then a coins across (3 fly type thing) and finally the vanish. The only problem with that is that their is no climax. When you look at the structure of a routine, it needs a climax, or you are just left with an empty feeling.


-Chicken

[atomo]

Yeah i know what you mean there Chicken, and the plot you just described is exactly what im working on, i have been thinking along the lines of a kicker ending, with the coins appearing in an impossible location. But i do kind of like the feeling at the end of Silver Dream, it has a kind of shocking quality to it, people are left silent questioning relaity, in a way i kind of prefer that to a big 'taadaaa!', its definitely an intersting area worth some serious thought.

[jimbowmanjr]

Hmmm. Yeah, I think Silver Dream would go well with a 3 coin pro, then a coins across (3 fly type thing) and finally the vanish. The only problem with that is that their is no climax. When you look at the structure of a routine, it needs a climax, or you are just left with an empty feeling.


-Chicken

You are left with any empty feeling at the end of Silver Dream? You can honestly tell me that you watched Justin's demo video of Silver Dream and went: "Man I feel all empty after watching that!". I am all for adding personal touches to a routine but Silver Dream stands just fine on its own. Trust me I have seen it done live by Justin and there were many a jaw on the floor at the end of the routine. The climax of this routine is the final vanish and the hands shown completely empty which to most people was done in the most impossible way without any fishy looking moves, very little misdirection, and right under their noses. Even knowing what to look for with that "magician's eye" you have about a 1% chance of catching the moves and some of the moves were structured with the specific intent of fooling a magician.

Let me know your thoughts =)

--Jim

[C=B]

I cannot agree enough with Jim.

When Justin did this live I saw a lady just about lose her head... the impact this has (especially the second vanish) is incredible...

Sharp

[Chicken]

ahhh, but you are looking at his like magicians. From the laymen's perspective, the vanishes are clean anyway, so how is showing the hands to be completely empty a climax at all? It's just like washing the hands. What's is the point? if you have done a good enough job, phsycologically, the hands are empty.

[C=B]

ahhh, but you are looking at his like magicians. From the laymen's perspective, the vanishes are clean anyway, so how is showing the hands to be completely empty a climax at all? It's just like washing the hands. What's is the point? if you have done a good enough job, phsycologically, the hands are empty.
The climax is not showing the hands empty, its making two coins vanish, breaking a third in half and then vanishing the two halves... THAT is damn powerful.

Sharp

[Chicken]

True, but when I first saw it, and when my audiences see it, the breaking in half is just another addition to a (exellent) routine. It is not a climax

[C=B]

Also true, but I think it varies heavily on presentation.

Watching Justin perform this people are floored and freaking out even without a huge climax (producing an elephant with a Walking Lib tattooed on it perhaps?).

I don't think this routine needs a huge finish or anything. Three coins vanish in an example of how magic is all a dream... using that presentation you could finish any routine quite amazingly.

Sharp