Prices

[Vinnie C.]

This isn't a product question so much as it is a product recommendation.

With all of the hype that was built up around Theory11, it made me think that the material on the site would be relatively easy to aquire, but I am looking at the products and am noticing rather high prices for one-trick DVD's. Panic for instance, it's a great trick, I'm sure, but it comes to about $30 including shipping for one trick.

It's harder to aquire a good amount of good material, because the material here is priced as it is, and makes it harder to buy more. :(

I figured I should voice this concern.

-Vince

[Jordan Garret]

This isn't a product question so much as it is a product recommendation.

With all of the hype that was built up around Theory11, it made me think that the material on the site would be relatively easy to aquire, but I am looking at the products and am noticing rather high prices for one-trick DVD's. Panic for instance, it's a great trick, I'm sure, but it comes to about $30 including shipping for one trick.

It's harder to aquire a good amount of good material, because the material here is priced as it is, and makes it harder to buy more. :(

I figured I should voice this concern.

-Vince
I know how you feel.
But E was like that at the beginning to.
Then prices went down after a month.

*or from what i remember at least*

Also let us not forget. this place was released just last night.

~Jordan~

[Vinnie C.]

Very true, but E was not hyped nearly as much. I mean no disrespect, but with the mention of this being "revolutionary", I was just hoping for better prices. I hope they will go down soon, that is when I will purchase the material. :)

-Vince

[stickyfinger]

I think thats a very valid point Vinnie and I respect you for coming out and saying it.

Sticky

[jonraiker]

Vince,

Great to hear from you man. Do understand everything that goes into the production of one of our products. Keep into account EVERYTHING that's involved, not just the video itself. We've made sure the best-of-the-best are all bundled into to each product we release. "Hand crafted coins by Jamie Schoolcraft" on the Digital Dissolve page should be evidence of that. Do note that we've tried to price all of our items as tight as humanly possible.

We value your input and appreciate it tremendously. Just know that your concerns are being read by our entire staff, and are highly valuable to us. As canned as that sounds, it's the absolute truth.

Let me know what you guys think!

[hawk7]

i've also noticed that the price is quite high for one trick dvds, but as been said before the price will drop, and maybe they'll release a package of tricks or (if that's not the case already) give a discount when you're buying more than one dvd at once, i'd really like to see that. the only things against these ideas are the following: first up, they make high quality products, and in no other business are the products that much underpriced, if you consider that alot of the effects were developed and brought to perfection over years. second, as what for i've come across in the forum, the prices don't really stop people from buying the tricks, so why lower them?

[ElisG]

The price for Digital Dissolve is crazily low, if only there was a british coin version :(.

[houston]

Also, if the prices are too low, some curious people may just want to buy the DVD and learn the secret, but not performing it. I am saying those who aren't real magicians.
But then, laymen won't know T11 and won't find out where to get the secret if WE, the magicians, never let them know any info about the tricks. I mean not to tell them the actual name of the trick/DVD and not to perform the tricks on the likes of Youtube (or at least make them un-searchable for laymen). It's up to us to spread or keep the secrets.

I am not saying higher price is better. If we can keep away some non-magicians to buy the DVD and at the same time, keep the creators and producers happy, why not lower the price?

Just my opinion, Cheers

[S3al]

I dont want them to drop the price if the quality of the item drops wih it. Other then that im fine with it as long as that does not happen.

[Avancer]

I'm content with the prices as shipping to Canada is not overly expensive, the only thing I would like though is the addition of paypal (Why don't any websitea accept it, like ellusionist?) Because, I'm currently too young to own one ;)

Other than that, I don't mind anything, it seems good as it is but I understand your point Winnie and how for someone for who shipping costs more it could be a concern.

[Steve Simmons]

Hmm...

I think the prices are pretty fair. They're right there with E, and other sites. And like mentioned, if it's too low, then too many people will buy it.

Just like the effect "The Red Carpet" by Jason Palter. It's $200, but you can bet that the average hobbyist won't be performing it, and that leaves the professionals with a quality piece of magic that not evreyones doing.

And yea...with Digital Dissolve you're getting some coins made my Jamie Schoolcraft. Even if this was priced as $50, that'd still be a good deal. Seriously.

Best.
Steve

[Magic9002]

well I think both Ellusionist and T11 have some pretty high prices.

[Avancer]

my question still stand though, why isn't paypal used? I think it would simplify things for many people, not to veer the topic away, but just wondeering and I doubt making a new topic for it is worth it...

[jonraiker]

my question still stand though, why isn't paypal used?
There are tons of issues when it comes to accepting PayPal as a form of payment. In fact, there are whole sites dedicated to Paypal problems.

However, I personally like PayPal and have never really had any major problems with it. We'll check into this soon and see if this is something we can offer in the future.

[Avancer]

alright, thanks for the response, greatly appreciated, like you said I can understand why there would be issues, but like yourself, I haven't found any issues and alot of sites run fine with it including eBay

[Dana Hocking]

A lot of factors come into play when considering the pricing for the products on this site, but it basically boils down to this.

We are here to compete on quality. A lot of blood, sweat, tears, and Red Bull goes into the making of these products and I am personally very proud of the work that we've done. Giving them away would both not be fair to us and (as many of you have already pointed out) would entice people who don't really care about magic to buy them and then expose them elsewhere.

That said, I do believe that our prices are reasonable. For example, we charge $34.95 for the Digital Dissolve DVD and a set of hand-made coins by Jamie Schoolcraft. We try to pack as much value as we possibly can into these products. To me, that seems fair, but I understand that fair is a subjective concept.

If you don't share my opinion, we're not going to force you to buy stuff. (We looked into that, but I guess it's illegal or something.) Either way, don't discount the rest of the site. We've got an awesome media section and some great people on our forums already who I believe have something very valuable to offer that won't cost you a dime.

Dana

[The Dark Angel]

That post alone has made me want to buy DD.

[bugjack]

It's hard to really judge the pricing until we can examine the tricks and view the DVDs. What I'm hoping is that the DVDs are thorough in the teaching, offering different variations, etc., and that they're not just 5 - 10 minute demo sessions with a bunch of exaggerated street-magic-style reaction footage tacked onto the end.

[scott huff]

Vinnie isn't an administrator yet? wth? haha :) i think the prices are kind of high, but still they have to make some profit for all this stuff they have put together.

[TKH]

The price for Digital Dissolve is crazily low, if only there was a british coin version :(.

It is a british version. It uses a english penny and an american half dollar so its not unique to the Us or UK.

[drorange]

i believe the prices are resonable and the shipping is really good

[silent]

the effects look really nice, distortion looks amazing. I don't think the prices are too high, the shipping is what I don't like.

[Steve_K]

Yeah, i was especially impressed with the shipping. And the prices are right along side E for the single tricks. Especially with that coin - 35 bucks. MAN. If i was into coin magic, i would be all over that deal. I completely agree with high prices keeping magic exposers away. I love E, but some of their tricks are sooo easy to find for the non-performer *cough* sinful *cough*. Keeping these tricks secret and the prices reasonable (which I beleive they currently are) will help make this site invaluable for magicians.

[The Dark Angel]

I thought that shipping could have been a buck or two cheaper.

[Vinnie C.]

Ah, I apologize for this misunderstanding:

Digital Dissolve is priced very well, I was referring more specifically to Panic. Though what I said was said in a general way, it was Panic that mostly had my concern, especially because it is an effect that I am very interested in buying. :)

-Vince

[ElisG]

It is a british version. It uses a english penny and an american half dollar so its not unique to the Us or UK.

English pennies aren't used in Britain...

[Avancer]

I would like to have an arrival date estimation on the shipping, or could someone please respond, obviously I'd choose the cheapest for reasons which are de to not enough money, but about how long does each one take to get from place to place, I've seen this estimation technique being used on Ellusionist and it reallly helps.

[jonraiker]

I would like to have an arrival date estimation on the shipping...
Items shipped via our STANDARD shipping option will arrive within 4-7 business days.
Items shipped via our EXPEDITED shipping option will arrive within 2-3 business days.
Items shipped via our CRAZY FAST option will in fact arrive crazily fast, within 1-2 business days.

Items shipped via FIRST CLASS INTERNATIONAL will arrive within 7-21 business days.
Items shipped via PRIORITY MAIL INTERNATIONAL will arrive within 6-10 business days.
Items shipped via EXPRESS MAIL INTERNATIONAL will arrive within 3-5 business days.

Just updated the Shipping Options page to reflect that.

[Jack The Magician]

I think it would be great if all the shipping options had tracking because my packages tend to get lost in the mail, and $18.95 in order to track a deck of Guardians via Crazy Fast shipping in the United States is a bit disconcerting. In regards to pricing, for me as a college student, its hard to pay for a deck of cards, though its a great deck of cards, for $4.95, when I can buy 12 Bicycle decks at a wholesale store for $15 ($1.25 per deck). As a economics major, I understand its a business, but even charging $2.99, if it's financially feasible, for a Guardian deck would allow T11 to make up the money lost in the price decrease because the Guardians would be sold out within 24 hours. But if it were up to me, all goods and services would be free. Just my thoughts.

Cheers,
JTM

[MAK]

I think it would be great if all the shipping options had tracking because my packages tend to get lost in the mail, and $18.95 in order to track a deck of Guardians via Crazy Fast shipping in the United States is a bit disconcerting. In regards to pricing, for me as a college student, its hard to pay for a deck of cards, though its a great deck of cards, for $4.95, when I can buy 12 Bicycle decks at a wholesale store for $15 ($1.25 per deck). As a economics major, I understand its a business, but even charging $2.99, if it's financially feasible, for a Guardian deck would allow T11 to make up the money lost in the price decrease because the Guardians would be sold out within 24 hours. But if it were up to me, all goods and services would be free. Just my thoughts.

Cheers,
JTM

An economics major and if it were up to you all goods and services would be free?

You more than anyone should realise that the free market system is what drives the WORLD. Charge what the market will bear.

__________________________________________________ __
You pay for what you get. If you want the items on this or any other site, you'll pay for them. If not - that's OK...do as you wish. I want a motorcycle. I wish Harley Davidson would knock a bike down to $100.00 for me. If I want one though, when I can afford it...I'll buy one. It's that simple.

What we DO have here is the guarantee from many names in magic that we respect and trust. I can say that I am sure, that if and when I make my purchases from t11 that I will receive a quality product and service. I may or may not like what I end up with - but if that's the case then I trust it will because of my personal taste.

[Mikka]

Hmm...

I think the prices are pretty fair. They're right there with E, and other sites. And like mentioned, if it's too low, then too many people will buy it.

Just like the effect "The Red Carpet" by Jason Palter. It's $200, but you can bet that the average hobbyist won't be performing it, and that leaves the professionals with a quality piece of magic that not everyones doing.

And yea...with Digital Dissolve you're getting some coins made my Jamie Schoolcraft. Even if this was priced as $50, that'd still be a good deal. Seriously.

Best.
Steve

You have made a VERY good point. The shipping to Canada beats any shipping costs (unless its free). Its $1.93 for first class international mail.

T11 already has my vote and beats every magic company/shop.

[Jack The Magician]

An economics major and if it were up to you all goods and services would be free?

I was being sarcastic. In regards to the pricing, $4.95 is fine - in fact, I already bought one - I just thought it would be nice if it were cheaper, or even free.:D My only concern with pricing is with the shipping because I am hesistant to pay $4.95 or even $8.95 for shipping without tracking because the USPS is adept at losing my packages. Therefore, I am going to buy in bulk to minimize the cost of Crazy Fast shipping - which is about $19 for a Gaurdian deck, and I live in the U.S. - but am going to buy in less frequent intervals.

Cheers,
JTM

[Dana Hocking]

We have a very solid relationship with USPS. They're a great company and if they do somehow happen to lose one of your orders, contact our customer service and we'll fix that problem. If we don't, we'll send Raiker to you in a very small USPS box and let you kick it around for a while.

Dana

[Steve Simmons]

If we don't, we'll send Raiker to you in a very small USPS box and let you kick it around for a while.

Dana

Give me a price quote and I'll order a dozen! LOL!

P.S. Just kidding Jon...you're one of my favorites, that's for damn sure! :D

[Dana Hocking]

1 Raiker: $10
12 Raikers: $100 (you even get a discount)
1 good kicking: Priceless.

Just kidding Raiker...

No I'm not, we're putting up your product page tomorrow.

Dana

[Jack The Magician]

1 Raiker: $10
12 Raikers: $100 (you even get a discount)
Is he willing to perform Panic naked because I'm not willing to just throw money around?:D

Cheers,
JTM

[kissdadookie]

$30 with shipping included for ONE trick?!? OH MY F'N GOD! That's the same price as the majority of single GOOD effects out on the market! HOW DARE THEY! People who complain about tricks costing $30 especially GOOD tricks that cost $30 have probably never been to a brick and mortar store or they have probably all started magic with Penguin and E. Let the flaming begin :P

All the Best,
Sleightly Steve

[Blindside462]

I think the prices here should be higher, I actually think prices for these effects should be at least $40+. Why do I think that? It keeps those frisky little hands to stop exposing this stuff. And shipping, don't think about it, just think the 24.95 dollar tricks is ~30 bucks :)

[Steve Simmons]

1 Raiker: $10
12 Raikers: $100 (you even get a discount)
1 good kicking: Priceless.

Just kidding Raiker...

No I'm not, we're putting up your product page tomorrow.

Dana

Ok...payday was Friday, I'm good for a dozen. Maybe sure there's no damn bubblewrap in there though...I'm going to be wearing my cleats w/ metal spikes. :D

P.S. You should put it on the product page as a joke...man, that'd be hysterical! LOL!

[jonraiker]

12 Raikers: $100 (you even get a discount)
I have to say, a dozen Raikers for $100 is a hell of a bargain... and they're much more sturdy than Hockings. Hockings always fall apart too easily.

[Dana Hocking]

That is a lie Raiker. Why you gotta lie?

Dana

[Dana Hocking]

Did someone change my forum title to "...is a girls name?"

[jonraiker]

Did someone change my forum title to "...is a girls name?"
Maybe... I might have. Accidentally...

[sleestak]

Maybe... I might have. Accidentally...


Now that was funny.....

[Tempest]

This is off record, so nobody quote me on this, but Jon Raikers are top quality. I would definitely buy at least a baker's dozen.

As for Hockings, meh.

|| sean ||

[Dana Hocking]

Laugh it up Raiker. Very well played. But you should know that I'm gonna get you back sometime sooner than you think and I'm gonna have Wayne or JB tape it and I'm gonna post it on the media section and then you're gonna cry like a little girl.

Dana

[Tempest]

Laugh it up Raiker. Very well played. But you should know that I'm gonna get you back sometime sooner than you think and I'm gonna have Wayne or Bayme tape it and I'm gonna post it on the media section and then you're gonna cry like a little girl.

Dana

I got your back Jon. Dana IS a girl's name. : |

|| sean ||

[jonraiker]

...then you're gonna cry like a little girl.
Like a little girl named Dana? :D

Bring it on.

[Dana Hocking]

Okay Sean. How bout this? Me and Wayne against you and Raiker the next time we're all at the same place at the same time. It'll be a practical joke war and we'll film it for the forums.

Dana

[Tempest]

Okay Sean. How bout this? Me and Wayne against you and Raiker the next time we're all at the same place at the same time. It'll be a practical joke war and we'll film it for the forums.

Dana

You think you're big stuff just cause you filmed KAOS huh? You're child's play kid, but challenge accepted. Raiker and I will be on our guard. Watch your backs fellas. : |

[jonraiker]

Okay Sean. How bout this? Me and Wayne against you and Raiker the next time we're all at the same place at the same time. It'll be a practical joke war and we'll film it for the forums.
Ah, Dana, Dana, Dana. You're like the Ja Rule to my 50 Cent. T-T-T-T-T-UNIT!

[The Dark Angel]

Holy crap.

The administrators are getting off topic!
I LOVE IT!!

[jonraiker]

Holy crap.

The administrators are getting off topic!
I LOVE IT!!
I'm banning myself as we speak. Shame on me.

[shmore]

i personally feel the prices are quite good (mainly as im british and there only like 15pounds) but i still do feel the prices are very well worth what ive seen so far, plus out input lets the awesome team create more visual and hard hitting effects, like leaving a tip at a resturant, were giving them a tip for great service and much more to come!

[trashmanf]

maybe the prices are okay but it's still just one-trick DVDs and/or gimmick... where's the "revolution" in magic that was so hyped up over the past weeks? they could have just released these tricks and made some good $$$..


Instead they hype them up , and shoot a lot of high-quality on-location video, edit it a LOT, and pimp it to the world for weeks... THIS is what we're paying for, really.

[kissdadookie]

It still feels pretty insane with Aaron Fisher being in the company along with the Buck Twins. Not to mention to creative genius that is Mathieu Bich! The effects they are selling are pretty underground material as well so it is pretty cutting edge. Oooooo, almost forgot, CHRIS KENNER!

[The Illusionist]

Vince,

Great to hear from you man. Do understand everything that goes into the production of one of our products. Keep into account EVERYTHING that's involved, not just the video itself. We've made sure the best-of-the-best are all bundled into to each product we release. "Hand crafted coins by Jamie Schoolcraft" on the Digital Dissolve page should be evidence of that. Do note that we've tried to price all of our items as tight as humanly possible.

We value your input and appreciate it tremendously. Just know that your concerns are being read by our entire staff, and are highly valuable to us. As canned as that sounds, it's the absolute truth.

Let me know what you guys think!

I agree, because I checked now the Jaime Schoolcraft web site and I saw that the silver/copper coins cost $50 and here on T11 you get the coins and a professional, high resolution, instructional DVD for just $34.95.

-The Illusionist

[wpt1031]

Quite honestly I don't think any of these dvds are overpriced. Distortion if its the gimmick I think it is that is at least around 15-20 dollars at least. So now you paid 5 dollars plus shipping for a instructional dvd so far so good. Digital Disolve obviously has been covered because boy howdy those are some fine coins if I do say so myself. As for Panic I bet the gimmick isn't cheap to make. So in my opinion for what i'm paying for its all good.

[ElisG]

^^Exactly, how can you say Panic and Distortion is overpriced if you don't know what the gimmicks are?

We know to an extent what the D.D gimmicks are, and they aren't overpriced by any means.

[Version X Imports]

These DVDs are not over priced at all, Theory 11 said they would revolutionize magic, not price tags. The gimmick for Distortion was going for 34 to 45 dollars and thats without a DVD and without shipping. Distortion here is 25 dollars without shipping, but it includes the gimmick and also the DVD. Thats 10 to 20 dollar difference and on top of a training DVD. Panic is also the same way, how much would the gimmick cost on its own? The time that they took to make those DVDs and to produce them has a cost as well, its not all done without money.

As for anyone who's planning to buy these things to expose, I have an eye on you. :mad:

- Charles :cool: