Is Distortion the Original?

[Huruey]

Hi, I have a question for anybody who knows the answer.

Is Distortion the original 4 to 6 of diamonds moving pips? Was Cyril's a variation of Wayne's effect? Or is Wayne's based on Cyril's?

Thanks,
Huruey

[iDLEHANDZ]

I'm not sure about this, but I think Cyril took the one from 5x5 Japan (New Era Moving Pips) and adapted it so that it'll work without the box.

[Diego]

NO HE DIDNT THE one in five times five japan is different look at my performance of it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViuheXMAXKY see its on the box Cyril is the orginal creator i already fig it out people that work at theory 11 if you have read my other post send me a message i will send you the link so you can delete the videos on youtube that reveal it there under the name djifh just an example

[number1mindfreak]

:DI had this trick months ago. well i had the four to six moving pip card. and once i saw the video it was a better version of the way i do it. I love the pip change and it gets the best reactions out of spectators.

there is a four to five pip change also but it only moves 1 pip. :cool:

[Manahan]

If this is the cyril one, which i wont expose, then i may buy tit, as the gimmick is a pain to make. THEORY 11 MODS, please contact me and tell m if its cyrils version

[dasuprememep]

I couldn't imagine Wayne stealing Cyril's trick. Well, not stealing, but a little modification kind of is stealing...

[Diego]

IT IS CYRILS TRICK I NO HOW TO DO IT AND I HAVE A GIMMICK THAT I MADE AT HOME HE DID STEAL IT BUT NO ONE EVER PATEND IT so techanicly not stealing just took a trick that was never submited the only diff is that cyril used it as a prediction

[hyo]

IT IS CYRILS TRICK I NO HOW TO DO IT AND I HAVE A GIMMICK THAT I MADE AT HOME HE DID STEAL IT BUT NO ONE EVER PATEND IT so techanicly not stealing just took a trick that was never submited the only diff is that cyril used it as a prediction

How can you be so sure about that? Did you even asked Mr.Houchin?

Personally, I highly doubt it, 'cause the theory11 artists are some well-known magicians and nice guys who wouldn't "steal" tricks...

[jonraiker]

Guys,

Cyril's variation of the effect is based on the original, as credited on the Distortion DVD. We've taken every necessary step to ensure proper crediting was included.

As stated in a previous post, the origins of this particular effect go back decades. It was originally done with a jumbo card. However, Distortion is the only authorized version of the effect collaborated with the original innovator of the modern application of the effect ("Visually Yours"), Michael Ammar. In addition, as crediting is extremely important to us, all details are included in the DVD.

Hope this eases your concerns!

[Diego]

HAHAHAHAHAHA I TOLD YOU ALL and to the operation guy it has been revealed i will send you the link if you take the video down

[jonraiker]

HAHAHAHAHAHA I TOLD YOU ALL and to the operation guy it has been revealed i will send you the link if you take the video down
Shoot me the link via PM and I'll take a look.

Like stated previously, we worked side-by-side with the original innovator of the modern adaptation of the effect, which you saw Cyril perform in the clip above. There was no "stealing" of the trick. Cyril performed the modern adaptation, as popularized by Michael Ammar. We worked with Michael, Wayne, and others to release it here on video for the first time.

Does that make sense? Hope that clears things up. :) Let me know if you have anymore questions I can answer guys!

[Mr. X]

Wow Diego, seems like you're a real supporter of this place judging from all your posts. Claiming they stole effects, to just plain bashing of the site. Seems a little fishy, but someone had to turn up.

[Diego]

Shoot me the link via PM and I'll take a look.

Like stated previously, we worked side-by-side with the original innovator of the modern adaptation of the effect, which you saw Cyril perform in the clip above. There was no "stealing" of the trick. Cyril performed the modern adaptation, as popularized by Michael Ammar. We worked with Michael, Wayne, and others to release it here on video for the first time.

Does that make sense? Hope that clears things up. :) Let me know if you have anymore questions I can answer guys!


ok check your pm in one sec

[AllanLuu]

I honestly don't care if it is original or not or maybe just original but with a few tweaks from the actual effect. This is the first time I have personally ever seen somthing like this and after panic I am definetly grabbing this effect when I can.

[Diego]

Wow Diego, seems like you're a real supporter of this place judging from all your posts. Claiming they stole effects, to just plain bashing of the site. Seems a little fishy, but someone had to turn up.

what are you talking about im just pointing things out and i love this sight

[Gary Yin]

But you gotta admit. Cyril's the one popularized the effect. Just type Moving pips in youtube and you will find most videos will mention Cyril. Is Cyril credited in the DVD?

[Blindside462]

But you gotta admit. Cyril's the one popularized the effect. Just type Moving pips in youtube and you will find most videos will mention Cyril. Is Cyril credited in the DVD?
I seriously doubt it is Cyril's own creation, hardly any of the tricks he does is stuff he creates but what other consultants or magicians create.

[jonraiker]

But you gotta admit. Cyril's the one popularized the effect. Just type Moving pips in youtube and you will find most videos will mention Cyril. Is Cyril credited in the DVD?
Taken from the product page: "There's a reason Cyril (famed Japanese magician) performed a variation of this effect on national television. Imagine being able to allow your audience to actually SEE a card visually change. Now do it."

:cool:

[JRiggleman]

Yeah Wayne didn't "steal" the effect at all. It doesn't even say he created it. It says featuring Wayne Houchin. Just like how David Stone didn't create "Digital Dissolve" but he's still doing the DVD.

[Daniel Chard]

Guys,

Cyril's variation of the effect is based on the original, as credited on the Distortion DVD. We've taken every necessary step to ensure proper crediting was included.

As stated in a previous post, the origins of this particular effect go back decades. It was originally done with a jumbo card. However, Distortion is the only authorized version of the effect collaborated with the original innovator of the modern application of the effect ("Visually Yours"), Michael Ammar. In addition, as crediting is extremely important to us, all details are included in the DVD.

Hope this eases your concerns!

And if you read the description on the 'Distortion' page it tells you about the issue:D

Many thanks

Daniel Chard

[Gary Yin]

David Stone? You got the wrong guy.

[Blindside462]

David Stone? You got the wrong guy.
Yeah, think he means Dan White.

[elitespart]

If this is the cyril one, which i wont expose, then i may buy tit, as the gimmick is a pain to make.

...Yeah it is. I tried but was too lazy to finish it.

[Aris.SA]

I think its something like OZ PEARLMAN-STARRY EYED SURPRISE and THUNDERBIRD by Lee.. Well checkk this..did they steal it from tamariz?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKB1Vikmzho

wayne is my favorite magician ever.. I hope he didnt steal it from Cyril or Tamariz.. I think it doesnt matter the thing that matters here is that its a very strong effect and veryy VISUAL..

[Zeroshift]

click on the "about.theory11" somewhere near the topright..and you'll see this

Wayne Houchin (Former Consultant to Criss Angel & Cyril)

i wouldnt be surprised if they perform similar tricks

[RebelAce69]

Well I don't care who made the effect as long as everyone is happy with the way it's produced and taught on the DVD, Im personally look forward to this trick far more than most I've seen on any site since I never took the time to try and figure Cyrils out.

[waynehouchin]

Hey guys. I appreciate the discussion & search for truth & honesty. The history of the moving pip card is thoroughly explained on the DVD:

The Moving Pip card (the gimmick that makes this possible) has been around since at least the 1970's. It looks like it may have origniated from Japan. It was first done as a stage gag using a jumbo card. In 1980, Michael Ammar was the first (as far as we can tell) to have the moving pip card made with a NORMAL poker sized playing card. In 1981 he published his routine using the card "Visually Yours." Michael graciously contributed his routine to the Distortion project & it is taught & performed as a bonus - on the DVD.

So what is Distortion? "Distortion" is MY routine using the Moving Pip gimmick, just like "Visually Yours" is Michael Ammar's routine using the Moving Pip gimmick. I have worked out a transposition effect that creates quite an impact.

So, to sum it all up: The Moving Pip gimmick that you recieve with the DVD has been around for a long time. Michael Ammar was the first to have it made with a normal sized poker card. Michael's fantastic routine "Visually Yours" is taught on the DVD with HIS permission & blessing. "Distortion" is MY routine using the same gimmick.

I hope that clears some things up. Feel free to copy and paste this response, or link to it, if you see others asking the same questions. Thanks!

[Diego]

thats what i thought and if you want ill pm you the links to the vids who reveal so you can delete them for copyright!

[Sean.Cinco]

Thanks for clearing everything up Wayne. I can't wait to receive it in the mail!

[sidrohc]

Can I buy an extra gimmick when I buy the DVD?

[waynehouchin]

Can I buy an extra gimmick when I buy the DVD?

Eventually that option will be made available to those who purchase, or have purchased the DVD. However, because we are only releasing a limited amount of advanced copies, only one Moving Pip gimmick per person. We want to get a few of these out & see what you guys think, but after the official release on October 1st, yes, you will be able to order extras.

Some advice: If you order one of the Distortion advance copies PLEASE do not play with the gimmick until AFTER you watch the DVD. I do cover some extremely important tips that can dramatically decrease the possibility of damaging your card.

Great question, I'll talk to you soon!

[Diego]

Eventually that option will be made available to those who purchase, or have purchased the DVD. However, because we are only releasing a limited amount of advanced copies, only one Moving Pip gimmick per person. We want to get a few of these out & see what you guys think, but after the official release on October 1st, yes, you will be able to order extras.

Some advice: If you order one of the Distortion advance copies PLEASE do not play with the gimmick until AFTER you watch the DVD. I do cover some extremely important tips that can dramatically decrease the possibility of damaging your card.

Great question, I'll talk to you soon!


please respond how many is there left

[JonRice]

please respond how many is there left

Check out this thread for a current count:

http://forums.theory11.com/showthread.php?t=253&page=3

J.

[Archimage]

Man Distortion looks awesome. I'm pretty sure I know how the number change works but doesn't matter since it looks good. I might get it since it fits my style of magic and I'll be working at a cafe soon. Just wondering though, on the official release you said you might be able to buy extra gimmick cards, will they be all the same or different number cards? Like 5 of diamons to 10 of diamonds or something. And also will we have options on the type of back the card has? Thanks.

-AZ

[sidrohc]

Eventually that option will be made available to those who purchase, or have purchased the DVD. However, because we are only releasing a limited amount of advanced copies, only one Moving Pip gimmick per person. We want to get a few of these out & see what you guys think, but after the official release on October 1st, yes, you will be able to order extras.

Some advice: If you order one of the Distortion advance copies PLEASE do not play with the gimmick until AFTER you watch the DVD. I do cover some extremely important tips that can dramatically decrease the possibility of damaging your card.

Great question, I'll talk to you soon!
Okay thanks for the quick response! I am definitely going to pick this up in October.

[jjtee]

Hey there guys,

I was also wondering about this trick. It's been available from magic hall for some time now, so does that mean that they haven't worked with Ammar in the gimmick and have merely made it? Are there any quality differences with the gimmick? The price isn't bad considering its Singapore dollars...so just wondering!

http://www.themagichall.com/product_detail.php?pid=489

Many thanks

[jonraiker]

Hey there guys,

I was also wondering about this trick. It's been available from magic hall for some time now, so does that mean that they haven't worked with Ammar in the gimmick and have merely made it? Are there any quality differences with the gimmick? The price isn't bad considering its Singapore dollars...so just wondering!

http://www.themagichall.com/product_detail.php?pid=489

Many thanks
Good question. The owner of the site, Kenneth Pei, is the one who produced the gimmicks for us. We found his Moving Pips to be of the utmost quality and collaborated with him on producing this. Check the Distortion (http://www.theory11.com/tricks/distortion.php) product page for more details.

[dummyisdumb]

NO HE DIDNT THE one in five times five japan is different look at my performance of it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViuheXMAXKY see its on the box Cyril is the orginal creator i already fig it out people that work at theory 11 if you have read my other post send me a message i will send you the link so you can delete the videos on youtube that reveal it there under the name djifh just an example

why do you keep on saying that these are your performances? you take other videos and say that it is yours.

[jjtee]

Good question. The owner of the site, Kenneth Pei, is the one who produced the gimmicks for us. We found his Moving Pips to be of the utmost quality and collaborated with him on producing this. Check the Distortion (http://www.theory11.com/tricks/distortion.php) product page for more details.

Brilliant! Very happy that there is now a gimmick and DVD for correct handling etc. Good to know that the magical world truely is getting smaller and less "cliquey". Nice price as well. Can't wait till I can get the effect! Many thanks for the speedy reply :D

[Sir FansAlot]

Once we receive and understand how the gimmick works will we be able to make our own?