"Kids" Misconception

[dasuprememep]

I'm a bit annoyed at the way that a lot of people posting on here are saying, "I don't want some kids googling this." or "Let's make sure that some kid won't expose this on youtube." Exposure is very childish, but adults expose, and there are a lot of "kids" who care a lot about stopping exposure on youtube or metacafe.

[RebelAce69]

Well still there is also a lot of kids who all they do is upload DVD's and then post it on Youtube all day hoping for god knows what. Some of us actually care (which is basically everyone here). The people who dont care and do magic for the fact they can do it just have no idea.

-RA69

[jdstyle]

since we know that tricks will be revealed beacuse of imature people

anyways plz, plz dont reveal tricks that have been created by the greatest magicians and that took them many years to create !

SO for the last time plz dont reveal tricks of this website

and for the LMT users a small joke for you guys

"Magic is an art learn to respect it " LOL

[AllanLuu]

I think anyone that took the time and effort to trieing to figure this whole theory11 clues and what not, are the magicians that are dedicated.

[Tavio]

am not trying to expose magic but theirs A LOT of exposure at this website i hate it so much help me stop is send me a private message if you willing to help me Thanks Tavio.:cool:

[Trevor Morgan]

I think anyone that took the time and effort to trieing to figure this whole theory11 clues and what not, are the magicians that are dedicated.

I would have to disagree. I would just call them people who have too much time on their hands. I spent some time on it, but I didn't make it my life.

Magicians who are dedicated on the other hand, are/were the ones out practicing and performing during the whole build up to Theory 11.

As for the kid misconception, I've debated over that on other forums enough. People will always use "kids" as a reference mainly because kids are usually ignorant to many things in life still (a good ignorant). It's when they say 13, 14, 15, 16, etc year-olds, that bothers me.

My best advice is to just ignore it.

Trevor

[dasuprememep]

and for the LMT users a small joke for you guys

"Magic is an art learn to respect it " LOL

I was one of those spammers. It made me feel proud.

[joshua barrett]

yep DA i did say that. the fact of the matter its the 16 and under crowd thats posting youtube videos of blown performance. im sorry you don;t like the generalization or stereotype. maybe your best course of action would be to influence others of your age group to stop doing such things and if enough follow your lead maybe we would have less of a problem until that day , your complaining about a realilty

[Mr. X]

Can't do much about it due to some legal loop hole. I think E was trying to get their stuff takin' down and the websites that had their stuff up for free or downloadable found some way to get around that, if I understand correctly. Their's some copyright issue.

[DannyT]

Hey man, I'm sorry how used that but what I was referring to was a snot-nosed kid who has his Mom and Dad buy all of his tricks for him, so he can just reveal them on youtube. I'm sorry if I offended you or anybody else on the forum. And yes, I have seen a lot of older people reveal *bad tricks as well.

[RebelAce69]

Yeah I was a LMTer, I don't think I will be now, the just sheer immaturity for the site is something I cant handle and we need real magicians watching over us. Such sites as Putfile and Megaupload should have restrictions and should be watched more closely

-RA69

[Mr. X]

Someone please define "LMTer."

[jdstyle]

E should not be insulted on this forum dont forget that it is te first Newage Magic "company" if it wasent for E i bet that 45% of magicians wouldnt be here today

i personally started with E

anyways Putfile is looked upon by E and they delete any videos found on the web. there are more than 50 vids that are actual videos of the real tricks but are disguised under false names

i think T11 should start doing the same thing looking on the web and delete those **** vids

[David Engel]

Yeah I was a LMTer, I don't think I will be now, the just sheer immaturity for the site is something I cant handle and we need real magicians watching over us. Such sites as Putfile and Megaupload should have restrictions and should be watched more closely

-RA69

Yeah, I am just there to help the n00bs with stuff. Even though that isn't why they are there. A lot of members there are just for conversation though. Like me and devilzdj4.

[SoulGrind]

It's not just tricks from this site. It's all tricks. We're magicians. Let's act like it an uphold the code.

Don't sell out from pressure. Buck up and say no way.

It's one thing to mentor someone with whom you've established trust. It's another to parade around showcasing to the world the secrets of our trade-craft.

It diminishes our livelihood and it weakens the industry and the community as a whole.

I for one don't mind the chivalry of magician-ship and I have no problem telling someone to go take a hike when they ask me to "show them how it's done."

[Tavio]

David engel i see you on LMT Helping out i think you trade to i got one think to say to you and send this message to LMTer to.Tell them they have no life exposing Magic their just wasting their time you to.:mad:

[joshua barrett]

E should not be insulted on this forum dont forget that it is te first Newage Magic "company" if it wasent for E i bet that 45% of magicians wouldnt be here today

i personally started with E

anyways Putfile is looked upon by E and they delete any videos found on the web. there are more than 50 vids that are actual videos of the real tricks but are disguised under false names

i think T11 should start doing the same thing looking on the web and delete those **** vids

45% i think that number is way high. most magicians i know have been doing magic way way way before E was a even dreamed up

[AllanLuu]

am not trying to expose magic but theirs A LOT of exposure at this website i hate it so much help me stop is send me a private message if you willing to help me Thanks Tavio.:cool:


How is there alot of exposure at this website?

[Mr. X]

If I had to put up a percentage I'd say maybe 1-3% not 45%. Way too high.

[RebelAce69]

And LMTer is someone who goes on the boards at LearnMagicTricks.org....probably the worst uploaders to putfile and megaupload.....but some people do only go on for chatting, but I go on mainly to see stuff about sleightartists =p. Since some of my stuff was submitted by them.

P.S. David I added 2 more sections to my cut pm me if you want another vid.

-RA69

[Tavio]

Yeah i see that rebel ace but don't submit to them is not worth it ,submit your trick to better site.Sleight artist rips you off cause they don't make money at all trust me get out of their.Am not trying to say it sucks and stuff but they don't even have
demo videos.:eek:

[UnholyGodn]

I personally do not see exposure as that big of a deal personally. Exposure through lack of practice would be a problem not because of the exposure but because the performer has not put enough time into doing the trick properly not to expose it. When it comes to exposure on purpose, has anyone ever done a trick and the person you are performing gone "Oh I know how you did that, I saw it on YouTube!"

Believe it or not, laymen do not spendtheir time on YouTube looking up how to do magic tricks. The people that would are either those who have an interest in magic (Good people) or people that are hecklers (that magicians don't like anyway) so what have we lost? Not everyone can afford to spend $30 on a single trick DVD, or may have no way to order it because of strict parenting or living in a weird country, does that mean these people should be disadvantaged?

People talk about expanding magic, but then go crazy because people aren't buying thier way in. If someone is interested enough to work out how a trick is done from a video, or find somewhere it is taught, how is that less reputable than spending $30 and getting the trick? Even laymen have money, anyone could come here, spend $30 and learn how to do a trick. The net difference? Money. If you want to expand magic you need to make it accessable to those that want it, not those that are rich enough to buy thier way in. For those that don't have the dedication, they will just spoil the magic for themselves, they will get bored knowing all the secrets, it's their loss.

I know the magicians here and everywhere work hard to make and poduce these DVD's and for that they deserve to get paid, it's great work they are doing. But I see buying a DVD as helping the artist and getting something in return rather than just buying the item for the contents. If I just wanted the contents there are hundreds of better places than YouTube to get entire magic DVD's for free.

My advice is to stop crying over exposure and spend more time developing your skills than worrying about the internet. The internet cannot be controlled, trying to is just a waste of time. Trust me.

[dasuprememep]

I see a flaw in your 5 paragraph argument:

It does matter. If laymen find out how you do your tricks, what's the point of doing the tricks in the first place?

[UnholyGodn]

I see a flaw in your 5 paragraph argument:

It does matter. If laymen find out how you do your tricks, what's the point of doing the tricks in the first place?

Laymen don't find out how to do it, as I said, most people have better things to do than look up magic on YouTube! Those that are going to (the few) spoil magic by looking it up are also the people that will heckle you the whole time you perform anyway. These people are not the people you perform for anyway, so what does it matter if they know the secret? Someone spoiling the magic does not hurt you, but hurt them because it ruins the fun for them.

[dasuprememep]

Well, it hurts your reputation as a magician. To them you were just doing a double lift, or palming a card.

[UnholyGodn]

Well, it hurts your reputation as a magician. To them you were just doing a double lift, or palming a card.

But you were just doing a double lift or palming a card... you can't actually do magic. The magic is in the eyes of the beholder. If they don't want to enjoy it, then they will never see the magic regardless if they YouTube every magic trick on the planet.

[Jacob]

:)I was also involved in that huge spam! Oh yeah!

[dasuprememep]

But you were just doing a double lift or palming a card... you can't actually do magic. The magic is in the eyes of the beholder. If they don't want to enjoy it, then they will never see the magic regardless if they YouTube every magic trick on the planet.

I suppose that it's the old dilemma of tricks vs. magic. Personally, I do card tricks, I'm not a miracle maker.

[tazer]

i hope to hell theres none of that stuff coming from inside here

hi all !

[Steerpike]

It does matter. If laymen find out how you do your tricks, what's the point of doing the tricks in the first place?

I know magicians who have fooled people who know the Balducci levitation with the Balducci. What's your excuse?

I hate threads like this. Only a handful of people have said anything positive, the rest of you are content to wallow in your "struggle" and impotently complain. I used to be up in arms about YouTube exposure as well. Then I woke up.

Internet exposure will not hurt our art nearly as much as trying to cut people off from it will. You're approaching the situation from the paradigm of helpless victims, not actual magicians. What exposure there is out there should be taken as personal challenge to us to improve. It's a far more productive thing to do than just whine about whatever rich brat put up a tutorial of Sinful and wants to trade Indecent for Saw.

UnholyGodn is absolutely right. The people who look up exposure videos are the people who were going to give you a hard time anyway (so there's no difference anyway) or they're people who want to learn. Erik "Mystery" von Markovik got his start as a magician when he was 11 by beating a card trick out of a classmate and watching a David Copperfield special until he had reverse engineered all of the effects.

So what are you all crying about? Shouldn't you be doing something constructive?