What's the difference?

[Guardian452]

um....

NO OFFENSE AT ALL MEANING


but how does this differ from ellusionist??

with "high def" and great editing, and cool backround music, with thier own clothe line coming out, and custom decks, and 1 trick dvds

i mean, its a great site, no offense, i like the look and everything

and the tricks look AMAZING, but what changes you guys from ellusionist??

i mean, im not here to bash theory11 at all, i will probably buy some things off of here....


but i want to here from the makers of this project/ site and their opinions

[TKH]

they seem to have actual values and ethics that ellusionist lacks greatly.

[David Engel]

Hopefully no attacks on Brad will become of it.

Me, I see no difference. It is just Theory 11 is this place, and Ellusionist is the other place.

[Guardian452]

um

no ethics???

how do you know that these guys have ethics???

from the 3 hours they have been open you know know the entire network of magicians working here???

[Tavio]

i think this site is better hopefully it doest turn out like ellusionist.
I Mean ellusionist is good but so far i think you guy will become MORE successful
i see so many creative Magician one of my favorite Wayne and Lee.:cool:

[Jules]

To me, E is just a store and theory 11 is a community. Yes they still sell stuff but it seems like they intend to deliver tutorials and allow videos to be posted and critiqued allowing growth.

[Guardian452]

that doesnt answer my question at all

what changes this site from an Ellusionist v.2????

site wise, dvd making wise, marketing wise

[RebelAce69]

This site isn't just a single person asking for other magicians to reveal their stuff and then get money for it, this is a group of friends who respect what they do and wanted to start something for the younger people of magic and let their secrets and legacy be told. From what I believe =]. It's nothing like Ellusionist.

-RA69

[Jak]

Theory11 is and will be the greatest magic website you'll ever enter ...

[Guardian452]

This site isn't just a single person asking for other magicians to reveal their stuff and then get money for it, this is a group of friends who respect what they do and wanted to start something for the younger people of magic and let their secrets and legacy be told. From what I believe =]. It's nothing like Ellusionist.

-RA69

and you know this from the 3 hours this site has been open???

[RebelAce69]

No, from watching the video on whatistheory11.com, They even mention the younger magic community and saying they're the future. And from what the staff have posted on here so far that's what I concluded. =]

-RA69

[joshua barrett]

um

no ethics???

how do you know that these guys have ethics???

from the 3 hours they have been open you know know the entire network of magicians working here???

we know the magicians, like kenner, the bucks , asher and fisher. what do we know about brad other then not much of a magician, and likes eye make up

[Mr. X]

and you know this from the 3 hours this site has been open???

For the second time to answer your question yes, that's what it appears to be until something else proves other wise. They seem to like each other and be friends, and if they're not lying then they want to try and "better" magic and help instead of limit what people talk about and limit help on sleights and what not.

[TKH]

If you have looked through the site youd see that at least from what they say their mission is, shows very good values. Instead of store 1st community 2nd. Its the opposite. They seem to rather help the newcomer then tell them to buy a dvd teaching how to palm a card because its the "newest and best" thing ever. Much less aggressive.

[David Engel]

we know the magicians, like kenner, the bucks , asher and fisher. what do we know about brad other then not much of a magician, and likes eye make up

From what I remember, Brad has been doing it for so long. And the only video I remember with him wearing eye make up was in Ninja 1.

[TKH]

I think these guys are a little more respectable then brad. Don't you?

[RebelAce69]

Lets try and get off the topic about Brads eye make-up, today is a day to celebrate Theory11 and their opening, and how this is probably the new revolution in magic as we know it :)

-RA69

[Guardian452]

one trick dvds, crazy ass shipping charges??

you guys have been brain washed by the hype


i have nothing against the site, but im trying to figure out what makes it different than ellusionist with ethics???

[Trevor Morgan]

Guys, why does it matter?

It's another magic site, just like Penguin, MJM, and so on. Yes it might be similar to Ellusionist, but so what?

They might have more of a competition now, but hey that's what businesses deal with: competition.

Trevor

[Mr. X]

That's not neccessarily ethics but more like business. I'm assuming they want to stay open.

[RebelAce69]

one trick dvds, crazy ass shipping charges??

you guys have been brain washed by the hype


i have nothing against the site, but im trying to figure out what makes it different than ellusionist with ethics???

If you have such a problem with it then don't come onto the boards and complain after we've given you reasons, some of us like it for some reasons and others don't for their own. I for one think it's a great site with (so far) amazing products and if shipping bugs you and killer on trick DVD's do then tell Theory11 staff.

-RA69

[Guardian452]

that sounds great and all

but i would perfer to hear from the creators

Johnathon Bane (or how his last name is spelled, no disrespect)

works for ellusionist, so, seeing him be the CEO of T11, is no surprise at how the site is/ how it is

[AllanLuu]

the site has only been opened for a few hours and like I have said in my other few replys, I don't think we should be quick to judge.

Ellusionist has good marketing skills and that is all theory 11 is doing, marketing there effects and company to make money. Not trieing to make it sound like theory11 is a bad plave but isn't that what every buisness primary objective is, to make money from it.

Ellusionist is good at marketing and just because theory 11 did somthing similiar does not mean this will be the next ellusionist (atleast I hope not).

[Mr. X]

You say that you love the site but it looks like you dispise it.

[Guardian452]

You say that you love the site but it looks like you dispise it.

i dont dispise the site

i may sound harsh, but i will support the site, if i get the money, i will be purchasing Panic by Aaron Fisher, and anything else that looks like i could use, and would benefit me in my performances

[dummyisdumb]

It's definetly similar to E, why do you think wayne houchin is one of the main people.

[jonraiker]

Hey guys,

As something brand new to the magic community, we completely understand the hesitation. Naturally, some are going to be uneasy and weary. All I ask is that you look at those involved with theory11, and understand that we're trying to be different than every other online magic site out there -- not a clone. Our focus is on community. Our focus is on you. What do you guys want? Because that's what it's about. YOU.

All of our artists are completely dedicated to this project. We've all poured our hearts, minds, and souls into this... because this is what we're passionate about. Many, many sleepless nights putting this all together.

So check out our stuff, but feel free to check out other sites. We don't claim to be the ONLY source for magic out there (though we are the best... and I have no bias whatsoever. Kidding.). There are other great resources. Explore them.

I hope to hear more from all of you soon. This has been an incredible experience, and it's only the beginning.

[RebelAce69]

Hey guys,

As something brand new to the magic community, we completely understand the hesitation. Naturally, some are going to be uneasy and weary. All I ask is that you look at those involved with theory11, and understand that we're trying to be different than every other online magic site out there -- not a clone. Our focus is on community. Our focus is on you. What do you guys want? Because that's what it's about. YOU.

All of our artists are completely dedicated to this project. We've all poured our hearts, minds, and souls into this... because this is what we're passionate about. Many, many sleepless nights putting this all together.

So check out our stuff, but feel free to check out other sites. We don't claim to be the ONLY source for magic out there (though we are the best... and I have no bias whatsoever. Kidding.). There are other great resources. Explore them.

I hope to hear more from all of you soon. This has been an incredible experience, and it's only the beginning.

This is why I'm starting to love this site, because my input and others is GOING to be heard, and that's what I like hands on kind of work. It's really cool to know I'm chatting with famous magicians it just seems like your meeting a celebrity :D. But I appreciate all the work you've done and I hope others do to. And I'm sure I'll be submitting suggestions and such in the near future. Great job again...

-RA69

[Guardian452]

hey jon, thank you for taking the time to respond

me personally, would like to see more 1 trick dvds on the site.

i dont care if you cover what clothes to wear for the trick and what color your underwear should be.

to me, personally, 1 trick dvds suck, why not pick up a book for 20 more dollars cheaper that has over at least, an hour of material more????


give us more BANG for our stinkin 30 bucks than a 1 trick dvd.....i understand that you guys are starting out, but consider that, i would really like to see more than 1 ASTONISHING trick dvd

have those types of dvds, fine, but still, have at least a few more than 1 trick dvd please

[joshua barrett]

From what I remember, Brad has been doing it for so long. And the only video I remember with him wearing eye make up was in Ninja 1.

brad is known for what routine? oh sorry. he did do magic a while and gave it up until he started a little buisness.

he don;t care about magic, he cares about selling it plenty

[@ndE]

Tell me what is the difference between Disney Land and Disney World?

Not that much actually.

Same goal

Like Target and Wal-Mart.

Just different ways of achieving it.

[RebelAce69]

hey jon, thank you for taking the time to respond

me personally, would like to see more 1 trick dvds on the site.

i dont care if you cover what clothes to wear for the trick and what color your underwear should be.

to me, personally, 1 trick dvds suck, why not pick up a book for 20 more dollars cheaper that has over at least, an hour of material more????


give us more BANG for our stinkin 30 bucks than a 1 trick dvd.....i understand that you guys are starting out, but consider that, i would really like to see more than 1 ASTONISHING trick dvd

have those types of dvds, fine, but still, have at least a few more than 1 trick dvd please


Yeah Im with you on the "More than 1 trick a DVD". Except it's pretty hard to come up with a lot of effects for a DVD and make them original. Unless you want a DVD like Ninja which teaches "The Pass, One handed Pass, Erdnase Colour Change etc.". Now-a-days since lots of stuff has been figured out it's hard to come up with hours of original material from a single person which is unique unless you re-visit old stuff.

-RA69

*Yay for 50 posts :)

[Guardian452]

whats the differnece between theory11 and ellusionist???


its owned by some of the same people

BUT HEY

as long as prices are reasonable, the shipping isnt a *****, and the tricks are hard hitting

then i have no problem, i want to see how this expands

[UnholyGodn]

I would love to see more than 1 Trick a DVD, but 1 Trick DVD's are far from useless. I'd also like to see some collaboration DVD's between the artists, rather than just Wayne Houchin releasing a DVD then Arron Fisher releasing one, seeing some DVD's with a collaboration of material from the different artists showing the different styles of each performer. The reason I have faith in this website is because I have followed and am a fan of many of the performers that have collaborated this website and feel that only good can come from the collaboration of such great minds.

This is just the beginning, I'm sure we will see the differences between Ellusionist and Theory 11 become more and more apparent as the days go by and site begins to develop into it's own form. I'm sure as a magician everyone here would have started seeming like another generic clone, as as you got used to things you developed your own style and flair for things. Give it time people, I personally can't wait to see more and I'm not even a magician.

[joshua barrett]

whats the differnece between theory11 and ellusionist???


its owned by some of the same people

BUT HEY

as long as prices are reasonable, the shipping isnt a *****, and the tricks are hard hitting

then i have no problem, i want to see how this expands

how is it owned by the same people

[Guardian452]

I would love to see more than 1 Trick a DVD, but 1 Trick DVD's are far from useless. I'd also like to see some collaboration DVD's between the artists, rather than just Wayne Houchin releasing a DVD then Arron Fisher releasing one, seeing some DVD's with a collaboration of material from the different artists showing the different styles of each performer. The reason I have faith in this website is because I have followed and am a fan of many of the performers that have collaborated this website and feel that only good can come from the collaboration of such great minds.

This is just the beginning, I'm sure we will see the differences between Ellusionist and Theory 11 become more and more apparent as the days go by and site begins to develop into it's own form. I'm sure as a magician everyone here would have started seeming like another generic clone, as as you got used to things you developed your own style and flair for things. Give it time people, I personally can't wait to see more and I'm not even a magician.


WHAT THE HELL???

care to expand please???

[Bijlogg]

Does it matter?

Yes they are similar, that's because this kind of format seems to work in the magic market at the moment. Concerning the single trick DVDs, nobody is making you buy them. Buy them if you like them, if you don't want it... don't buy it!

Also, whoever said Brad has been doing magic a long time... that doesn't mean anything. You could practice forever and still be bad. Not saying he necessarily is, but the reason you gave for him being a good magician was invalid.

Tom

[jonraiker]

as long as prices are reasonable, the shipping isnt a *****, and the tricks are hard hitting
Broken down into simplest form, haha. I dug your response.

Do understand that we're much more than that though. We're trying to build an entire community. A place where you can learn and grow together, right alongside the best performers and creators in the magic industry.

Stay tuned.

[RebelAce69]

I would love to see more than 1 Trick a DVD, but 1 Trick DVD's are far from useless. I'd also like to see some collaboration DVD's between the artists, rather than just Wayne Houchin releasing a DVD then Arron Fisher releasing one, seeing some DVD's with a collaboration of material from the different artists showing the different styles of each performer. The reason I have faith in this website is because I have followed and am a fan of many of the performers that have collaborated this website and feel that only good can come from the collaboration of such great minds.

This is just the beginning, I'm sure we will see the differences between Ellusionist and Theory 11 become more and more apparent as the days go by and site begins to develop into it's own form. I'm sure as a magician everyone here would have started seeming like another generic clone, as as you got used to things you developed your own style and flair for things. Give it time people, I personally can't wait to see more and I'm not even a magician.

True, we all need to just remember uhh how long has this been open? 3 maybe 4 hours. In due time we'll get more product but, collaboration DVD's would be so cool. I love the Guerilla Guides because one of my favourite performers is in it as well (Danny Garcia). :p

-RA69

[Bijlogg]

how is it owned by the same people

Jon Raiker and J. Bayme both USED to work for E... they don't at the moment though...

Guardian, Bayme left E months ago!

Anyway, I don't see too much point in this thread because most of the reasons given you have responded to saying 'how can you know this, it's only been open 4 hours' etc.

Tom

[Mr. X]

WHAT THE HELL???

care to expand please???

Perhaps he's a Mentalist...I hope.

[joshua barrett]

Broken down into simplest form, haha. I dug your response.

Do understand that we're much more than that though. We're trying to build an entire community. A place where you can learn and grow together, right alongside the best performers and creators in the magic industry.

Stay tuned.

jon i hope you can build it. i hope people learn some things people weren;t telling them else where

[Guardian452]

how is it owned by the same people

EDIT

its already been answered

Jon, thanks for helping me try to get T11 and Ellusionist out of the same.............exact spot

im sure this site will develope in time, and more and more products will be coming out, and thanks for "digging" my response


for the person who said that all ive responded with is "how can you know...blah blah blah"

i say that because most people here are saying how great it is, and just repeating what the commercials for the site have been saying

after only 4 hours, so, my bad for not getting brainwashed





yet ;)

[UnholyGodn]

Perhaps he's a Mentalist...I hope.

Mentalisim is actually my preferred field of magic, I don't really perform all that much anymore though, I really just enjoy the community and the creativity of the art. People can like paintings without being a painter. I'm more into the cardistry/flourishing field of this site.

[Mr. X]

Mentalisim is actually my preferred field of magic, I don't really perform all that much anymore though, I really just enjoy the community and the creativity of the art. People can like paintings without being a painter. I'm more into the cardistry/flourishing field of this site.

Mine too. Mentalism is my preferred, but I'm finding this site a great alternative, Community 1st type of site instead of shoving crap in your face hoping for you to buy.

[Guardian452]

ALRIGHT, its been over a year since i posted this topic.

i beleive this speaks for its self how Theory11 has made a name for its self and how its established who, what, when, and where Theory11 is and will continue to be.

All i have to say is.

Great job Theory11, you guys have convinved me over the last year that this place does indeed "kick serisous ass"